eldiente Posted January 21, 2008 Share Posted January 21, 2008 I looking for some feedback on what to buy for large day back/light weight overnight pack. I'm looking for something than can take 1-2 days worth of climbing gear and light biy gear. Got any ideas? I've been having problems getting all my alpine gear shoved into my 1,500 cu in Osprey pack. On the flip side , my 5,000 cu in pack is too big to climb with. I've never owned any of the Black Diamond packs but they seem to be popular. The Predator from BD looked like was nice but I've never seen it in person. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jared_j Posted January 21, 2008 Share Posted January 21, 2008 (edited) Cilogear 40L fits the bill for you, especially if you've already got a baby pack and a big-ass pack. Its size should fit your needs reasonably, especially if you pack light for bivies. Searching around on this site (and rockclimbing.com) will reveal a lot of testimonial info about these packs. Graham has started out by grassroots marketing them via climbing websites, though now they're gaining more popularity. If you live in Seattle, you can check them out at Feathered Friends. Edited January 21, 2008 by jared_j Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxtrax Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 I would second the Cilogear pack as a climbing pack. I've carried the 45L and plan to get a 60L. I wouldn't necessarily go for a Cilo if you're going to use it for skiing much. It can be made to work but isn't as good for skis/avy gear as a purpose built ski pack like the Arcteryx Khamski or BD Coverts and Anarchists. Also check out the BD Jackal and Wild Things ice sack or rice sack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 Golite Jam, but it's not a ski pack, either. Pro Mountain Sports has em. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NTM Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 bd sphynx is awesome for climbing. 45L and a slim profile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hemp22 Posted January 23, 2008 Share Posted January 23, 2008 if you're interested in checking out one of the Cilogear packs in PDX, you can take a look at mine (once I get it back - I just sent it off to graham for some touch-ups). I'd agree that it's great for climbing - good weight, size & versatility. I've used it a couple times so far for B/C skiing and it worked fine for the mellow tooling around that I was doing...but yeah, it's not as refined as some other packs out there that are more purpose-built for more serious B/C skiing/boarding Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tokyobob Posted January 23, 2008 Share Posted January 23, 2008 Cilo 60l is excellent- just as light as my go-lite pack, but better designed. I've used it climbing and backpacking, I wish it had come with a sternum strap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jens Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 What I like for climbing is something that rides well on steep rock and is tube like enough to allow swinging ice tools. Sweet: Millet Mammut Deuter North Face Lafuma Suck: Dana Mountainsmith Gregory BD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dane Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 (edited) I'd look at something around 40 liter (24/2600 cu in) for a climbing pack as you describe it. 50 liters is around 3200cu. in. and a much bigger pack. Cilo and Arcteryx make decent smaller climbing packs. Simply because of the fit and available sizing here is what I ended up with. By comparison it is a full lb. heavier than the 30l Cilo about the same weight as a 40L work sack. http://www.mountaingear.com/pages/product/product.asp/item/210305/N/0/CMP/KNC-70150/cmpn/70150/afl/438 ..corrected for volume typos.. Edited January 30, 2008 by Dane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
underworld Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 cold cold world... this thing is utility, bare bones, light...etc...etc... http://www.coldcoldworldpacks.com/chernobyl.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eldiente Posted January 29, 2008 Author Share Posted January 29, 2008 Thanks for the info. I'm doing a bit of shopping right now. I haven't bought a new pack in 6+ years so it is all a bit overwhelming given the choices. Thanks! -Nate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OBNomad Posted January 29, 2008 Share Posted January 29, 2008 Just go and try on as many packs on as possible. Bells and whistles sell packs on the net. Fit rules in the store(hopefully). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genepires Posted January 29, 2008 Share Posted January 29, 2008 wild things line. Simple design with no BS. Damn durable too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxtrax Posted January 29, 2008 Share Posted January 29, 2008 Might wanna check your math there - 30L is around 1850 cubic inches and 40L is around 2450 cubic inches. I find that for day/in a push style trips 30-38L and for light multiday trips 35-50 or 55L is good. For reference the CCW Chernobyl is 3,000 cubic in/49L and the Wild Things Ice Sack is 3,200 cubic in/52L. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kane Posted January 30, 2008 Share Posted January 30, 2008 Take out a morgage http://www.mchalepacks.com/ultralight/detail/sub_pop.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrgo Posted January 30, 2008 Share Posted January 30, 2008 Second (or third) the Wild Things Ice Sac, its a great pack striped down for alpine climbing. Make sure to get one without tool tubes, or get it modified, as they don't accept leashless tools that well or at all. I've heard a lot of grumbling about the new BD line. The Shadow is a great pack, but the predator seems to have some durability issues and also seems less like a climbing pack and more like a backpacking one. I definately would not recommend the Sphynx, even though I own one. You can't overfill it because of the lid design, therefore its hard to carry a rope. I only break this pack out for day trips and even then I leave stuff behind. Go for something with a fully floating lid so you can fill it up and strap the rope on top. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dane Posted January 30, 2008 Share Posted January 30, 2008 (edited) Might wanna check your math there - 30L is around 1850 cubic inches and 40L is around 2450 cubic inches.... My bad, and you are correct. 40L is around 2450 c.i. and about all I want in a climbing pack these days. Still happy with the Khazri 35. Wild Things Ice sack is a bit bigger than I like. Cilo 40L or 45L would be fine. Volume wise in the real world...means I can get 5 60m 9mm ropes in the body of a 40 liter pack. Easily enough room of most any 2 or 3 day alpine climb if you are packing light. Edited January 30, 2008 by Dane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eldiente Posted January 30, 2008 Author Share Posted January 30, 2008 Anyone used the Osprey Exposure 50? I randomly saw it at the shop today and liked what I saw. It was slightly bigger (50L) than I originally wanted but I like the attachment points and the way it would hold a snowboard and crampons. Anyone used this pack? I see they make Osprey Exposure in a smaller size. -Nate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zxcv Posted January 30, 2008 Share Posted January 30, 2008 My wife has the Exposure 50- in her opinion, it is fine for cragging and hauling stuff around trails, but sucks for scrambling and she would not think of climbing with it. The frame is tubular aluminum that, for her, extends behind her neck and offers nice load transfer but wacks her every time she looks up. The frame is not removable- which I find important for a climbing pack, and is simply too stiff. But what do I know- people here haul 40 pounds in frameless packs (ouch!) and likely climb just fine in loadmonsters... just make sure you have head clearance with the exposure series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eldiente Posted January 30, 2008 Author Share Posted January 30, 2008 ahh good point. I hadn't tried looking up with that pack on. I have a 10 year old frameless pack from Lowe Alpine. I can't stand the thing as the climbing gears always sticks me in the pack and doesn't ride evenly. -Nate My wife has the Exposure 50- in her opinion, it is fine for cragging and hauling stuff around trails, but sucks for scrambling and she would not think of climbing with it. The frame is tubular aluminum that, for her, extends behind her neck and offers nice load transfer but wacks her every time she looks up. The frame is not removable- which I find important for a climbing pack, and is simply too stiff. But what do I know- people here haul 40 pounds in frameless packs (ouch!) and likely climb just fine in loadmonsters... just make sure you have head clearance with the exposure series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paramagic Posted February 10, 2008 Share Posted February 10, 2008 I've got the Exposure, good pack but not the most durable. I have no problem with hitting it when wearing a helmet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mccallboater Posted February 10, 2008 Share Posted February 10, 2008 Not made any more but I love mine: Jansport Endeavor 8000 Looks like there are still a few available on closeout. Kind of like a Kelty spectra bag without the price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NextTime Posted February 16, 2008 Share Posted February 16, 2008 I second the recommendation for CCW Chernobyl. The price is right, they are light and bomber. Also, you can call the shop and speak with the owner (I believe his name is Randy - sorry if I got that wrong) and he can make modifications as needed. I did this a few years back and I love the pack. Good luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sol Posted February 16, 2008 Share Posted February 16, 2008 i own a cold cold world chernobyl a wild things andinista pack and a cilo gear 60L no question the cilo gear is the best Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromage Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 Get a Cilo pack, and get it from Feathered Friends. You can try one out there before putting your money down. Plus they can bend the stay for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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