archenemy Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/03/27/environment.baggs.reut/index.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawks Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 Good idea. I thought the thread was going to be about K-bone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
underworld Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 doh! thought this was going to be another climbing and relatnionship thread... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevbone Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 Interesting. I was under the assumption that you can recycle plastic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawks Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 doh! thought this was going to be another climbing and relatnionship thread... Â So do you not take plastic at the grocery??? Or take paper and cut down the trees? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archenemy Posted March 28, 2007 Author Share Posted March 28, 2007 I bring my canvas grocery bags with me, but I also have no problem using paper. Trees are a renewable resource and paper doesn't fuck up the environment nearly as much as plastic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 Which requires less oil to make; a plastic bag or a paper bag? Just wondering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
underworld Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 do those that oppose plastic bags buy boxes of plastic garbage bags? i'll occasionally get plastic to use as garbage bags. but typically i'm a paper guy. Â who am i kidding... i don't even know where a grocery store is.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archenemy Posted March 28, 2007 Author Share Posted March 28, 2007 I don't know, but I believe that b/c there is no oil in the paper bag, it doesn't contaminate the landfill if that's where it ends up. Of course, canvas bags are the easiest option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foraker Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 doh! thought this was going to be another climbing and relatnionship thread... Â So do you not take plastic at the grocery??? Or take paper and cut down the trees? Â Kleenex, socks, or just right into the old porceline god? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 But it takes oil to log, pulp, fab, and transport the (heavier, bulkier)paper bag. Â Intewestene. Â Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevbone Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 Of course, canvas bags are the easiest option. Â For you! Quit telling other what to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archenemy Posted March 28, 2007 Author Share Posted March 28, 2007 But it takes oil to log, pulp, fab, and transport the (heavier, bulkier)paper bag. Intewestene.  We make choices, and I am more concerned with the longer afterlife of plastic bags. Ever notice how you see them on the side of the road blowing around? I hate that. I also hate how many times I see one shoe on the side of the highway. How does that happen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
underworld Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 paper bags make better koozies for the 40oz of Old English.... Â ...and shoes belong on power lines, not on the side of the road Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 According to this analysis, plastic is more environmentally friendly and fossil fuel efficient than paper, particularly if plastic recycle rates continue to go up (they currently lag behind paper recycling rates). This is what I would have suspected, considering how much less material goes into a plastic bag verses a paper one.  Paper verses plastic  Take your own reusable bags, of course, is the real message here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 I love how all you "enviromentally friendly" people are dumb as a rock. People should take some P Chem before they get their Tree Hugger Card. Â Recyclable plastic bags, which I find in every grocery store here, require less energy to make, less energy to transport, and less energy to recycle. Ignorance is bliss! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archenemy Posted March 28, 2007 Author Share Posted March 28, 2007 Problem is, no one does that. Â And maybe b/c I am just that dumb and can't figure out which option is better, I just bring the friggen canvas goddam bag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-spotter Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 MEC plastic bags are biodegradable and made out of corn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billcoe Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 I'd almost bet money that the alternative will cost more and be less environmentally friendly. Â Polititians could fu*k up a wet dream. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 I thought everything in BC was made out of hemp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottP Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 Paper vs Plastic- one perspective Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weekend_Climberz Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 I use my plastic bags to line my litter boxes. I bet you won't wanna recycle those bitches Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 The type of legislation under consideration in San Francisco represents the worst form of government policy; specifying the end solution rather than codifying the goal. The goal is less energy usage. The legislation will probably produce the opposite. It reminds of that stupid fucking monorail initiative. Â A much better approach would be a public information campaign to get people to use durable, reusable grocery bags; the only real solution to the problem. A similar program worked in Seattle very well (even before the 'no paper in your garbage' ordnances). Â I see a market for extremely light, ripstop grocery bags that fit into a purse or small satchel. After all, people frequently go shopping on their way home from work. It's no wonder the Hippy Hemp grocery bags don't have much a following beyond the PCC crowd; they don't stuff down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
underworld Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 your cats are melting the glaciers!!! Â Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenderfour Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 Plastic grocery bags are photo-degradeable. The UV in sunlight will break them down in a year or two. If you put them in a landfill, they will probably last forever. Â FYI - Most residential recycling programs accept plastic bags as long as they are bagged up. Â Another FYI - typical grocery pags are made of Polyethylene, the same stuff that your skinny slings are made of. The sling material has been molecularly manipulated, but it's essentially the same material. Â CBS will post in 3...2...1... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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