archenemy Posted January 25, 2007 Share Posted January 25, 2007 she is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayB Posted January 25, 2007 Share Posted January 25, 2007 fuck you Jayb you baby-eating fucking fuck  That's better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlpineK Posted January 25, 2007 Share Posted January 25, 2007 Where's Fairweather? I want to laugh at that sucker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted January 26, 2007 Share Posted January 26, 2007 (edited) It's uncanny. Every time someone mentions drug legalization, the evil HEROIN comes up. Â I used to play squash several times a week with a cop. We'd discuss drug policy, among other things. He told me that the public's concern over heroin was a joke...heroin addicts are some of the most docile people on the planet, and addict related crime is blown way, way out of proportion. Â The 'heroin problem' in this country, and most countries, for that matter, is so laughably small it shouldn't even be on our radar screen. Compare the 100 or so annual heroin overdose deaths to the many tens of thousands of alcohol related accidents, homocides, and health related deaths and you'll see what I mean. Â And hey, last time a checked, alcohol was legal. Â You could legalize every hard drug there is and the average person wouldn't notice any change in their daily lives whatsoever. It's simply not a major problem, particularly as compared to all the other monumental issues we face today. We shouldn't be spending a dime trying to 'solve' it. Edited January 26, 2007 by tvashtarkatena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chucK Posted January 26, 2007 Share Posted January 26, 2007 Hmmm what an interesting question. I wonder if the number of heroin-related accidents and homicides would go up if it was legal and aggressively marketed like alcohol is? Â Hmmmm..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archenemy Posted January 26, 2007 Share Posted January 26, 2007 Would you become an herion addict just b/c it was legal and marketed? )robably not. Most people feel the same way. Â Plus, wasn't the whole discussion about super thin models not affecting the anorexic population "proof" that marketing doesn't bare the responsibility for causing its consumers to copy behavior? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-spotter Posted January 26, 2007 Share Posted January 26, 2007 Free hallucinogens for addicts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chucK Posted January 26, 2007 Share Posted January 26, 2007 "proof"? Â I think if heroin were legal and easily obtainable, there would be more heroin addicts. I think that if heroin were aggressively marketed as a good way to get chicks and a fun way to hang by the pool, that a few more sales would be made. Â Could be wrong though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olyclimber Posted January 26, 2007 Share Posted January 26, 2007 or better yet, heroin nicotine patches loaded with THC and LSD. marketed 24X7 on the shopping channel and with ad blitzes during all sporting events, from the junior high level up to the pros. vending machines in grade schools. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlpineK Posted January 26, 2007 Share Posted January 26, 2007 I could be wrong, but just the fact you have to inject heroin would turn most people off. Now if they had the same thing in a pill form it might be more popular. Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olyclimber Posted January 26, 2007 Share Posted January 26, 2007 no Kurt, that is the appeal. it is way more "core" and "extreme" to mainline...its like bungie jumping but with a longer static cord. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted January 26, 2007 Share Posted January 26, 2007 (edited) heroin is semi-legal (controlled but tolerated) in several European countries, most notably Switzerland. The addiction rate did not go up as a result of legalization. They also have fewer addicts per capita than the U.S. Â In our own country, cocaine and heroin was legal until the 1930s. Use was widespread until the early part of this century. Laws did not hault the popularity of these drugs, a public information campaign about the risks of these drugs did. Criminal drug laws didn't come into play until much later. Â People who have a need to 'self medicate' will do so. Those who do not, won't, whether a drug is legal or not. Edited January 26, 2007 by tvashtarkatena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chucK Posted January 26, 2007 Share Posted January 26, 2007 Shit! So are you saying that opiates will never be the opiate of the masses? Â (that position currently held by spectator sports) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archenemy Posted January 26, 2007 Share Posted January 26, 2007 heroin is semi-legal (controlled but tolerated) in several European countries, most notably Switzerland. The addiction rate did not go up as a result of legalization. They also have fewer addicts per capita than the U.S. In our own country, cocaine and heroin was legal until the 1930s. Use was widespread until the early part of this century. Laws did not hault the popularity of these drugs, a public information campaign about the risks of these drugs did. Criminal drug laws didn't come into play until much later.  People who have a need to 'self medicate' will do so. Those who do not, won't, whether a drug is legal or not.  England also has a very sensible way to deal with their heroin users. There are many options. Ours don't work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayB Posted January 26, 2007 Share Posted January 26, 2007 Hmmm what an interesting question. I wonder if the number of heroin-related accidents and homicides would go up if it was legal and aggressively marketed like alcohol is? Hmmmm.....  There was certainly no demand for alcohol or alcoholism anywhere in the world before the advent of the modern media. Take away advertising and there'd be no demand for anything.  Actually, I think if you account for all of the homicides perpetrated by the various cartels and their hit-men in the countries where the drugs are produced, you'd see a significant reduction in the number of homicides in those countries. Not to mention dramatically reducing the effects of narco-corruption and intimidation on law enforcement, politicians, and the judiciary in those states. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted January 26, 2007 Share Posted January 26, 2007 Â We need to government to protect us from ourselves. Â Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chucK Posted January 26, 2007 Share Posted January 26, 2007 (edited) OK you guys have sold me. When are we going to show those stupid socialist Euro's who's the smartest by doing just what they do with respect to civil liberties concerning access to heroin? Â Your hero Bush should be on this pronto! Â (that was not intended to be a Bush-cocaine joke) Edited January 26, 2007 by chucK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayB Posted January 26, 2007 Share Posted January 26, 2007 Not much hope for that if there's people who are in favor of suing alcohol and tobacco companies out of existence - despite the fact that the risks have been none to anyone who is not literally retarded for over four decades, and both have been perfectly legal for far longer - is there? This is at least as much of an obstacle as the moralistic barriers to legalizing drugs. Â Not sure that Euroland is the best model for all freedoms, considering the restrictions on speech, firearms, etc that persist there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted January 26, 2007 Share Posted January 26, 2007 Can't....stop....drinking......beer. Â Must.....sue......Germany. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chucK Posted January 26, 2007 Share Posted January 26, 2007 gosh, I didn't know the alcohol companies were getting sued out of existence! Better drink while the drinkin's good!!! Â :brew: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carolyn Posted January 26, 2007 Share Posted January 26, 2007 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayB Posted January 26, 2007 Share Posted January 26, 2007 I said, "there are people in favor of" suing the companies out of existence. Words have meanings. The meanings of the phrases "there are people in favor of" and "there are" are not equal. You are directing a weak jibe at a point that I did not actually make. Clever fellow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chucK Posted February 12, 2007 Share Posted February 12, 2007 update on original topic five starving people denied jobs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted February 12, 2007 Share Posted February 12, 2007 This thread has really touched my heart. I'm going to start a non-profit shelter for starving, homeless Spanish super models. Â Any volunteers out there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Phil Posted February 12, 2007 Share Posted February 12, 2007 I'm in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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