hemp22 Posted December 15, 2006 Posted December 15, 2006 the Meadows wind gauge was giving readings last night (winds up to 99mph at 6600'). but it looks like it may also be broken now since this morning.
TTurtle Posted December 15, 2006 Posted December 15, 2006 But the wind gauge at the top of the Palmer appears to have broken. Could be related to the power outage...the cam still seems to be down.
Ruedi Posted December 15, 2006 Posted December 15, 2006 Why did they just now find the climbers note at the ranger station? You would think they would have checked that one first. Strange and unfortunate but great news. I'm new but a regular on 14ers and summitpost.
Kauli Posted December 15, 2006 Posted December 15, 2006 The last hours brought us a few good messages. I was very happy to hear about the note, the three left in the ranger station. Since it is 11:30 pm here in Germany I go to sleep now. I am shure that I can read more good news tomorow morning when I am online again. Keep your finger's crossed.
beancounts Posted December 15, 2006 Posted December 15, 2006 I am not a climber but was wondering with all of the current snow fall how does one keep air flow in the snow cave?
Dechristo Posted December 15, 2006 Posted December 15, 2006 ya gotta keep poking your axe out through the snow to maintain an air hole(s)
G-spotter Posted December 15, 2006 Posted December 15, 2006 1) Snow is porous. New fallen snowpack is 90% air. So there is exchange between the cave and the surrounding snow. 2) You keep shovelling out the mouth of the cave and making a hole, or at least poking a probe, or stick, or shovel out through it.
Thinker Posted December 15, 2006 Posted December 15, 2006 Why did they just now find the climbers note at the ranger station? You would think they would have checked that one first. The note was one of the first things found when the alarm was sounded. http://www.cascadeclimbers.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/616247/page/1/fpart/1#Post616344
ClimbingPanther Posted December 15, 2006 Posted December 15, 2006 90% sounds like an awful stretch and "new" snow varies a lot in density, but yes that does contribute, though likely not enough to be the only source of air.
G-spotter Posted December 15, 2006 Posted December 15, 2006 That's how an avalaung extracts air from the snow and the surface area of a snowcave is a lot higher than the surface area of an avalung.
Dechristo Posted December 15, 2006 Posted December 15, 2006 yeah, but you know (otherwise, you wouldn't have included it), that air hole maintenance is the primary air source. The snow surfaces inside an occupied snow cave glaze over from humidity and interior temperature raised above freezing due to body heat
barkernews Posted December 15, 2006 Posted December 15, 2006 Got this in my inbox... Just passing it along: Brian at KATU For Immediate Release Mt. Hood Closed to Climbing to Assist Search and Rescue Efforts Sandy, OR – Effective today, December 15, 2006, Mt. Hood is closed to all climbing. The area of the mountain above the Pacific Crest Trail and the Timberline Trail is closed to everyone except the search and rescue teams directed by the Hood River County Sheriff. The purpose of the closure is intended to assist efforts to find the three missing climbers. With a forecasted break in the weather, rescuers plan an all out effort to find the missing climbers. By keeping everyone out of the area, the sheriff will be able to eliminate any false clues left by others such as tracks or cell phone signals. The public is asked to abide by this closure. The Timberline and Mt. Hood Meadows Ski Areas remain open. The area immediately outside the ski areas is closed to all public entry. Cooper Spur Ski Area, located at a lower elevation than the closed area also remains open. As provided by state law, the Hood River County Sheriff is the lead for this search and rescue effort. For specific information related to the search and rescue efforts, please contact the sheriff’s information office at 541-387-2290 or 541-387-2291.
Winter Posted December 15, 2006 Posted December 15, 2006 So much for gettin turns at Newton Creek. Thanks for passing this along.
gapertimmy Posted December 15, 2006 Posted December 15, 2006 (edited) These graphs are from NWAC data at Timberline. Magic Mile wind gauges appear to be frozen. You can use the little << arrows to look back to prior hour data sets too. Wind Graph Temperatures Timberline Weather Page here on cascadeclimbers: http://www.cascadeclimbers.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/ubb/weatherstation/l/timberline-lodge/ Ski Bowl http://www.cascadeclimbers.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/ubb/weatherstation/l/ski-bowl/ I don't have a MHM page built out yet. Edited December 15, 2006 by gapertimmy
Telektr Posted December 16, 2006 Posted December 16, 2006 This is the best forecast that we have had in quite some time. SAR should have a very good and hopefully fruitful day on the mountain tomorrow. Lets all help them out with upbeat vibes all day long!! GFS Forecast for Saturday 1800 UTC
jfmctlaw Posted December 16, 2006 Posted December 16, 2006 I think it was pretty smart to lock the mountain down. This way all the SAR resources can work without distraction as there will be plenty to deal with anyways. Now all they have to do is dodge the avalanches.
ClimbingPanther Posted December 16, 2006 Posted December 16, 2006 The fact is though, they didn't do something stupid, I'm sure they were not ignorant of the weather possibilities here, and this situation did not happen because they're Texans or New Yorkers. Their actions are no different than the many others on and off this board who climb Hood all the time. They got the summit and would have made it down, but they had an injury when extra time to extract the injured person was not afforded them by nature. It is an unfortuante coincidence, not some foolish decision they made. Without the accident (assumption, but why else would they split up?), I'm sure there would have never been something to make this trip stand out from the many other trips up Hood.
ZimZam Posted December 16, 2006 Posted December 16, 2006 (edited) Post deleted by ZimZam Edited December 16, 2006 by ZimZam
zl27 Posted December 16, 2006 Posted December 16, 2006 This is a pretty good article on the technology (and companies) involved in the search. http://cosmiclog.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/12/13/20506.aspx Just ignore the holier-than-thou couch potatoes spewing bile at the bottom of the page.
brrp Posted December 16, 2006 Posted December 16, 2006 They will come out. Tomorrow. (sat) Period. Right Shafiq.
brrp Posted December 16, 2006 Posted December 16, 2006 "The recipe for perpetual ignorance is: Be satisfied with your opinions and content with your knowledge.” UKEGEN
brrp Posted December 16, 2006 Posted December 16, 2006 The rescuers should use air horns. It may be possible to walk right past the snow cave and the three will not even know. Air horns, air horns. UKEGEN
randita Posted December 16, 2006 Posted December 16, 2006 MSNBC reporting that C-130 with IR flew over at 8,000, 10,000 and 12,500 feet and detected no sign of hikers. Story acknowledges that IR could not pick up thermal hits if men still in a snow cave. Full story here: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16220398/
Lambone Posted December 16, 2006 Posted December 16, 2006 come on guys keep it positive! there are still three men up there. spray aboput their mistakes when they are down safe and warm. trust me, there is nothing worse then sitting in a hole on top of a volcano knowing there are people out there looking for you and your family and friends are worried sick. been there done that. they know they fucked up, nuff said. nobody loves the master of the obvious.
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