AMERICA! ...less progressive than S. Africa

[Dr_Flush_Amazing]

AMERICA! FUCK YEAH!

[KaskadskyjKozak]

AMERICA! FUCK YEAH!

 

Move to S. Africa then.

[tivoli_mike]

Enjoy the gun battles between Taxi drivers. I was in Botswana in '99 and alot of Boers were leaving the country as fast as possible.

[cj001f]

AMERICA! FUCK YEAH!

 

Move to S. Africa then.

 

You righty tightys would love their gun laws

[archenemy]

Yeah, but some of the fun is gone ever since they got rid of the apartheid.

[tvashtarkatena]

We were last to catch on about slavery, too.

 

It's The Man, keepin' us down again!

[Dechristo]

slavery is alive still

[KaskadskyjKozak]

slavery is alive still

 

shh! we need to focus exclusively on the variety that ended in the U.S. 140 years ago. it's such a useful tool for demagoguery and politics of divisiveness. that message would be watered down by contemporary examples.

[underworld]

what broad vision. one contemporary issue and all of a sudden the whole country is more 'progressive' than the U.S.

[Weekend_Climberz]

Anyone heard of the Dutch Santa Claus. They celebrate on December 5th, kinda like Christmas. Only, their Santa Claus (Sinter Klaas) uses black slaves (Zwarte Peiten or Black Pete's) instead of reindeer to drive his sled and hand out presents. They were the major exporters of slaves to the US anyway. Kind of odd. Since no black Dutch participate, the caucasions die their skin brown and celebrate.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinterklaas

Edited November 14, 2006 by Weekend_Climberz

[tivoli_mike]

Actually they are Moors, given Saint Nicholas's origin in Spain...

[tvashtarkatena]

slavery is alive still

Not state sanctioned slavery.

 

But if you want to use that as a measure, a labor contractor for farm workers was convicted of slavery within in the late 1990's right here in the good ole' U.S. of A.

 

The 'other kind' happens here, too.

[tvashtarkatena]

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[underworld]

the whole country is more 'progressive' than the U.S.

 

???

 

the title of the thread: "America!...less progressive than S. Africa"

 

sounds like an absolute - yet was based on, at least in this thread, one contemporary issue.

[tvashtarkatena]

slavery is alive still

 

it's such a useful tool for demagoguery and politics of divisiveness.

 

...as you never fail to demonstrate.

 

Historical knowledge is also useful for the politics of egalitarianism.

 

One man's divisiveness is another man's unification.

[kevbone]

fuck everyone.

[JayB]

slavery is alive still

Not state sanctioned slavery.

 

But if you want to use that as a measure, a labor contractor for farm workers was convicted of slavery within in the late 1990's right here in the good ole' U.S. of A.

 

The 'other kind' happens here, too.

 

 

Slavery was abolished in these nations in these years:

 

Sweden, including Finland: 1335 (but not until 1847 in the colony of St Barthélemy)

Portugal: 1761

England and Wales: In practice, 1772, as a result of Somersett's case; although the legal effect of this was much more limited; see Slavery at common law

Scotland: 1776 as a result of Wedderburne's case[1]

Vermont: 1777, Commonwealth of Vermont, an independent republic created after the American Revolution, on July 8th 1777. Vermont joined the United States of America in 1791.

Haiti: 1791, due to a revolt among nearly half a million slaves

Upper Canada: 1793, by Act Against Slavery

France (first time): 1794-1802, including all colonies (although abolition was never carried out in some colonies under British occupation)

Chile: 1811 partially, and in 1823 for all who remained as slave and "whoever slave setting a foot on chilean soil".

Argentina: 1813

Gran Colombia (Ecuador, Colombia, Panama, and Venezuela): 1821, through a gradual emancipation plan (Colombia in 1852, Venezuela in 1854)

Mexico: 1829

British Empire: 1833, including all colonies (with effect from 1 August 1834; in East Indies from 1 August 1838)

Mauritius: 1 Feb 1835, under the British government. This day is a public holiday.

Denmark: 1848, including all colonies

France (second time): 1848, including all colonies

Peru: 1851

Romania: 1855

The Netherlands: 1863, including all colonies, but kept using 'Recruits' from Africa until 1940

The United States: 1865, after the U.S. Civil War (Several states abolished slavery for themselves at various dates between 1777 and 1864)

Puerto Rico 1873 and Cuba: 1880 (both were colonies of Spain at the time)

Brazil: 1888

Korea: 1894 (hereditary slavery ended in 1886)

Zanzibar: 1897 (slave trade abolished in 1873)

China: 1910

Burma: 1929

Ethiopia: 1936, by order of the Italian occupying forces (see Second Italo-Abyssinian War). After Ethiopia regained independence in 1942 during World War II, Emperor Haile Selassie did not re-establish slavery.

Tibet: 1959, by order of the People's Republic of China

Saudi Arabia: 1962

Mauritania: July 1980 (still formally abolished by French authorities in 1905, then implicitly in the new constitution of 1961 and expressly in October of that year when the country joined the United Nations), actually still practiced

[tvashtarkatena]

their Santa Claus (Sinter Klaas) uses black slaves (Zwarte Peiten or Black Pete's) instead of reindeer to drive his sled and hand out presents.

 

Now Rapper, Tap Dancer, Now Foaty and Fix Ho

Mojammed, P Didd and Tupak and Grits, Yo...

Edited November 15, 2006 by tvashtarkatena

[tvashtarkatena]

[quote

The United States: 1865, after the U.S. Civil War (Several states abolished slavery for themselves at various dates between 1777 and 1864)

Puerto Rico 1873 and Cuba: 1880 (both were colonies of Spain at the time)

Brazil: 1888

Korea: 1894 (hereditary slavery ended in 1886)

Zanzibar: 1897 (slave trade abolished in 1873)

China: 1910

Burma: 1929

Ethiopia: 1936, by order of the Italian occupying forces (see Second Italo-Abyssinian War). After Ethiopia regained independence in 1942 during World War II, Emperor Haile Selassie did not re-establish slavery.

Tibet: 1959, by order of the People's Republic of China

Saudi Arabia: 1962

Mauritania: July 1980

 

Well, at least we beat Burma, Zanzibar, and Mauritania.

 

This reads like our list of 'allies' for Gulf War, The Sequel.

[lI1|1!]

if people really want to abolish slavery they should abolish marriage.

 

[Mr_Phil]

Tibet: 1959, by order of the People's Republic of China

 

Now this is a touchy subject.

[prole]

Historical knowledge is vital for the politics of egalitarianism.

[KaskadskyjKozak]

if people really want to abolish slavery they should abolish marriage.

 

 

and yet gays want it. WTF?

[foraker]

Maybe only the ones into BDSM?

[archenemy]

Sign me up.