Gary_Yngve Posted August 1, 2006 Share Posted August 1, 2006 I tried out a pair of the Camp steel 6-point "half-"pons on Saturday. Took me several attempts to rig it so it wouldn't torque off (the instruction manual is useless / inutile / unbrauchbar / inutil). Some important points: -The pon shouldn't be too close to the toe. -The straps need to be tight when the ankle is slightly flexed. -The straps need to be rigged to keep the rear part of the pon from pulling from the shoe. Once I figured it out, it worked great (better and lighter than an aluminum full pon on bare glacial ice). Tennies and pons aren't that comfortable, but for a small pocket glacier, they work great. Here are some pics of how I rigged the pon: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aya Posted August 1, 2006 Share Posted August 1, 2006 I like the duct tape. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catbirdseat Posted August 1, 2006 Share Posted August 1, 2006 (edited) Camp also makes a 6-point aluminum crampons that weighs only 215 grams (8 oz.), versus 380 grams for the steel. $60 Edited August 1, 2006 by catbirdseat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olyclimber Posted August 1, 2006 Share Posted August 1, 2006 try it with socks next time, it will probably be way more comfortable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weekend_Climberz Posted August 1, 2006 Share Posted August 1, 2006 try it with socks next time, it will probably be way more comfortable Not to mention wear some pants or freaking shave you sasquatch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuMR Posted August 1, 2006 Share Posted August 1, 2006 why? You two goin' on a date or sumpin'? :vomit: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyCamper Posted August 1, 2006 Share Posted August 1, 2006 I usually bring 20oz Stubais for moderate snow - the 6 points look pretty neat though. How did they compare traction wise from say a 10 point? How was it better? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyHarry Posted August 1, 2006 Share Posted August 1, 2006 Once again Gary enlightens all us half-wits with detailed instructions on how to perform the simplest of tasks. Gary, what's next? a photo essay on how to put on pants? Thanks for helping out all us challenged folk though, keep up the good work! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olyclimber Posted August 1, 2006 Share Posted August 1, 2006 Gary, maybe you can write a guide for Dirty Harry and I on how to not make other people feel uncomfortable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary_Yngve Posted August 1, 2006 Author Share Posted August 1, 2006 The traction for traversing and going up was good on moderate frozen snow. They actually performed better than 10-pt Al Stubais on low-angle glacier ice because they were steel. The downsides would be: -need to face in when going down anything too steep -can't frontpoint with them -with tennies, you can get into a situation where the points want to shear through the soft top half-inch of snow but you really can't kick that good of a step Crossing talus, I could sometimes have my heel on the rock and never have the points touch. Kinda neat, I guess. DirtyHarry, figuring out how to put these pons on tennies in such a way that they wouldn't pop off was not a simple task. Go fuck yourself. Or a sheep. Whatever you find first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyHarry Posted August 1, 2006 Share Posted August 1, 2006 DirtyHarry, figuring out how to put these pons on tennies in such a way that they wouldn't pop off was not a simple task. Yeah, looks like fucking rocket science to me. Did you have to ask your advisor for help? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpinfox Posted August 1, 2006 Share Posted August 1, 2006 Cinching that strap down on the achilles tendon is genius. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyHarry Posted August 1, 2006 Share Posted August 1, 2006 Bet it has a nice soothing feel on the skin too when walking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpinfox Posted August 1, 2006 Share Posted August 1, 2006 If you embedded little barbs in the strap the 'pons would probably stay on even better. Editations: A 490g solution that will actually be usable I got a good deal on these, so they are what I use. 590g. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fern Posted August 1, 2006 Share Posted August 1, 2006 previous thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary_Yngve Posted August 2, 2006 Author Share Posted August 2, 2006 Alpinfox, if I put the back strap around my tennie, it would slip up to my ankle, and then the pon would pop off. Have a better idea? It actually wasn't uncomfortable on my Achilles (in the mtns I was wearing a pair of socks). The previous thread, which I did not know about (thanks Fern) looks like it has a similar rigging. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpinfox Posted August 2, 2006 Share Posted August 2, 2006 Alpinfox, if I put the back strap around my tennie, it would slip up to my ankle, and then the pon would pop off. Have a better idea? Yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-spotter Posted August 2, 2006 Share Posted August 2, 2006 4 point instep crampons are even lighter and don't have some Rube Goldberg rigging job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Choada_Boy Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 I was doing a seated glissade with my Camp Al crampons on the back of my pack. It wasn't until I got back to the car that I realized that one crampon must have caught on something, breaking the adjustment bar. I now have one and a half Camp Al crampons. Lighter is righter! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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