JayB Posted June 19, 2006 Share Posted June 19, 2006 Maybe just posting a large sign at the trailhead/parking lot that covers some of the known hazards, provides an overview of prudent safety precautions - like using intermediate pro on steeper terrain when you are roped up, etc. would help. Perhaps including a schematic overview of the previous accident, along with the AAJ write-up would prompt a few people to asses their gameplan before leaving the parking lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmace Posted June 19, 2006 Share Posted June 19, 2006 personal responsibilty You find pockets of it here and there but for the most part that was bred out of the human race a while ago.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted June 19, 2006 Share Posted June 19, 2006 Maybe just posting a large sign at the trailhead/parking lot that covers some of the known hazards, provides an overview of prudent safety precautions - like using intermediate pro on steeper terrain when you are roped up, etc. would help. Perhaps including a schematic overview of the previous accident, along with the AAJ write-up would prompt a few people to asses their gameplan before leaving the parking lot. people who don't belong on the mountain don't realize it, and will go anyways. a hand line, a sign or anything else will not help them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayB Posted June 19, 2006 Share Posted June 19, 2006 That's true enough - but as others have said the scenario which lead to this accident is so common that some type of sign might have a beneficial effect. People still die on Muir Snowfield, but I suspect that the signs and the compass bearings available from the NPS has helped at least a few parties out, and without neutering the mountain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Choada_Boy Posted June 19, 2006 Share Posted June 19, 2006 Whatever. How about this: Climbing is dangerous. Don't fuck up. If you fuck up and get mauled, oh well. If someone else fucks up and you get mauled, that's part of the game too. If you get hit on the head by a meteorite, that's just shitty luck, but it's your problem. If you're not willing to accept the consequences, or admit to the fact that life is 100% fatal, stay home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mountainmatt Posted June 19, 2006 Share Posted June 19, 2006 Whatever. How about this: Climbing is dangerous. Don't fuck up. If you fuck up and get mauled, oh well. If someone else fucks up and you get mauled, that's part of the game too. If you get hit on the head by a meteorite, that's just shitty luck, but it's your problem. If you're not willing to accept the consequences, or admit to the fact that life is 100% fatal, stay home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryland_moore Posted June 19, 2006 Share Posted June 19, 2006 Here's another thread started by oine of the guys helping out with the rescue web page Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valleydude Posted June 19, 2006 Share Posted June 19, 2006 A very interesting discussion. This newb is enjoying the debate and, personally, would hate to see any such artificial aid implanted on said route. Who would I sue if I fell and broke an arm? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobra_Commander Posted June 19, 2006 Share Posted June 19, 2006 Who would I sue if I fell and broke an arm? Mt. Hood Meadows Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rad Posted June 19, 2006 Share Posted June 19, 2006 Saavy climbers might be advised to keep an attorney clipped to their harness. (preferably between the grigri and the sporto-chalkbag) They could document any gross negligence, breach of oral agreements, assaults, or other crimes observed en route. Resulting lawsuits would be filed in real-time via satelite-linked crackberry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archenemy Posted June 20, 2006 Share Posted June 20, 2006 Saavy climbers might be advised to keep an attorney clipped to their harness. (preferably between the grigri and the sporto-chalkbag) They could document any gross negligence, breach of oral agreements, assaults, or other crimes observed en route. Resulting lawsuits would be filed in real-time via satelite-linked crackberry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billcoe Posted June 20, 2006 Share Posted June 20, 2006 Who would I sue if I fell and broke an arm? Your climbing parteners for gross breach of oral contract. Ie - they were suppose to hold your fall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuMR Posted June 20, 2006 Share Posted June 20, 2006 Whatever. How about this: Climbing is dangerous. Don't fuck up. If you fuck up and get mauled, oh well. If someone else fucks up and you get mauled, that's part of the game too. If you get hit on the head by a meteorite, that's just shitty luck, but it's your problem. If you're not willing to accept the consequences, or admit to the fact that life is 100% fatal, stay home. especially with faulty gear...like helmets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted June 20, 2006 Share Posted June 20, 2006 PUT UP MORE SIGNAGE! BUILD A 12 FOOT WALL!! BOLT IT!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocketsocks Posted June 21, 2006 Share Posted June 21, 2006 PUT UP MORE SIGNAGE! BUILD A 12 FOOT WALL!! BOLT IT!! Wouldn't a fresh new wall just encourage climbers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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