Maurice Posted May 20, 2002 Share Posted May 20, 2002 Is it tolerated to sleep in your truck at Paradise? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon Posted May 20, 2002 Share Posted May 20, 2002 As long as they don't catch you doing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pope Posted May 20, 2002 Share Posted May 20, 2002 The Narada Falls toilette is a great winter biv-wack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figger_Eight Posted May 20, 2002 Share Posted May 20, 2002 You need a parking pass to keep your car overnight at the Paradise parking lot now. You can only get one if you have reservations at either of the two lodges or in the car campgrounds. Â [ 05-20-2002, 07:29 AM: Message edited by: Figger Eight ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maurice Posted May 20, 2002 Author Share Posted May 20, 2002 Then where are climbers supposed to park? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtnnut Posted May 20, 2002 Share Posted May 20, 2002 I thought that restriction only applied to people that were using the guide service. For the guide service, they have this covered in that they now provide transportation from the "Bunkhouse" outside the park boundary (undoubtedly for an additional fee). Â Checking the Park website, it would appear that this doesn't yet cover the general public, although they have been discussing doing that at some point. They wouldn't be able to do it yet since they don't have the infrastructure built in to provide shuttle service for the general public yet. Â http://www.nps.gov/mora/climb/climb.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllYouCanEat Posted May 20, 2002 Share Posted May 20, 2002 I received a warning notice last time I parked at paradise for not having an overnight permit or something. I go climbing to get away from that crap. I'll pay to park but they don't need to know where I am going. Information is only used to restrict and control. The capitalization of park lands sucks. Build more shitters and parking lots and they will come. More permits, more fees, more restrictions, less access, more people, paved trails, and ticket rangers...jason...ps sorry for the rant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
payaso Posted May 20, 2002 Share Posted May 20, 2002 The climbing fee goes to fill the hand sanitizer in the Muir shitters. Last year I tried to use $15 worth of the stuff before I left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
payaso Posted May 20, 2002 Share Posted May 20, 2002 A baby changing station would be a welcome addition at Muir. Heck, it could even come in handy at the top of the DC for the unlucky parent that might need to change their little one before they push for the summit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodchester Posted May 20, 2002 Share Posted May 20, 2002 And the view from the lower saddle crapper is nice.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jules Posted May 20, 2002 Share Posted May 20, 2002 quote: Originally posted by dbb: What you're really paying for is to have world class rangers like gator and his staff there 24/7 to haul your broken ass of any spot on that mountain. I may be mistaken, but I believe that the rangers are under no obligation whatsoever to rescue anyone. Of course, unless the risk to their own lives is just too great, I'm pretty sure they will attempt rescue of anyone and everyone in need of said attempt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figger_Eight Posted May 20, 2002 Share Posted May 20, 2002 quote: If you feel inclined to believe that it helps cover toilet maintenance, consider that the shitter on the lower saddle between the Grand and Middle Teton is paid for by the guide services who operate on the mountain. So your $15, by comparison, subsidizes RMI among others.RMI does have their own crapper up there...but it isn't ADA compliant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nolanr Posted May 21, 2002 Share Posted May 21, 2002 We scared the shit out of one of our buddies one time, he was sleeping in his rig in the Longmire parking lot. We banged on the window and yelled "You can't park here!" He woke up thinking he was busted for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jja Posted May 21, 2002 Share Posted May 21, 2002 quote: Originally posted by freeclimb9: - provide accessible toilet facilities." Is that why there's a folding wheel chair hanging in the outhouse at Muir? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtnnut Posted May 21, 2002 Share Posted May 21, 2002 AllYouCanEat: was that warning something that you got during the winter? If so, it was probably just warning you that they lock the gate at night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jules Posted May 21, 2002 Share Posted May 21, 2002 quote: Originally posted by payaso: The climbing fee goes to fill the hand sanitizer in the Muir shitters. Last year I tried to use $15 worth of the stuff before I left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erik Posted May 21, 2002 Share Posted May 21, 2002 quote: Originally posted by payaso: Last year I tried to use $15 worth of the stuff before I left. did you mean to get it all over the toilet seat??? Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllYouCanEat Posted May 21, 2002 Share Posted May 21, 2002 I don't mind the climbing fee. It goes to good use and it is for climbers benefit. The other restrictions get annoying. I don't want getting to rainier to be like Denali, that's all...jason... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllYouCanEat Posted May 21, 2002 Share Posted May 21, 2002 No, it was for not having an overnight permit. We were in the right parking lot and they thanked us for that. We were also the only car there... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbb Posted May 21, 2002 Share Posted May 21, 2002 $15 for toilet paper? Don't be so narrow minded. It does pay for the blue bag/toilet program, but I personaly like to be able to melt snow and drink it. Â What you're really paying for is to have world class rangers like gator and his staff there 24/7 to haul your broken ass of any spot on that mountain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freeclimb9 Posted May 21, 2002 Share Posted May 21, 2002 Other National Parks than Rainier offer world class high angle rescue capabilities without additional user fees. The $15 is slow, but hard, ass-rape. It's been implemented and continued by the Park management. If you feel inclined to believe that it helps cover toilet maintenance, consider that the shitter on the lower saddle between the Grand and Middle Teton is paid for by the guide services who operate on the mountain. So your $15, by comparison, subsidizes RMI among others. Here's what the park Super, Jon Jarvis, says the fees are spent on: Projects. Not Rescue. "Recently, Mount Rainier has used fee money to: - rehabilitate miles of degraded areas on the Wonderland and other cross park trails, - repair individual campsites in Cougar Rock and Ohanapecosh campgrounds, - construct group campsites and accessible sites in campgrounds, - provide new interpretive signs in visitor centers and along roadside interpretive areas, and - provide accessible toilet facilities with baby changing stations in developed areas of the park." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike_Gauthier Posted May 21, 2002 Share Posted May 21, 2002 i feel inclined to add to this one. 1. about parking. yes, the nps frowns on camping the paradise parking lot (or any parking lot for that mater). though i've parked and camped in many a parking lot, i can understand why they discourage this practice... especially at paradise if you consider the winter road opening dilemma’s, snow removal, visitor safety around heavy equipment, etc... 2. if you need tips on how to camp in your vehicle and avoid the rangers, ask some Yosemite climbers how they pull it. certainly, enforcement there is FAR more aggressive than at rainier... 3. the fee program that supt jon jarvis is talking about refers to the entrance fees... not climbing fees. FYI, climbing fees are not park of the NPS fee demo program. what you are actually getting is a special use permit. the upside of this is that all of the money stays at rainier and funds climbing related projects, (hand sanitizers, blue bags, helicopter flights to maintenance the camps, ada shitters, and yes, climber/rescue dudes like me, halling and w... 4. as stated earlier, rmi does NOT have an exclusive toilet at muir. 5. i have NO idea why the wheel chair is in the muir outhouse. 6. i'll look into a baby changing station b/c we all know that some climbers cry, complain and whine all the time. mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottP Posted May 21, 2002 Share Posted May 21, 2002 quote: Originally posted by Rodchester: And the view from the lower saddle crapper is nice.... Yes, it is... Â Â (You can just barely make out the SW corner of the 'crapper' in the lower right hand corner of the graphic.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CraigA Posted May 22, 2002 Share Posted May 22, 2002 Touche Mike, especially no. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freeclimb9 Posted May 22, 2002 Share Posted May 22, 2002 quote: Originally posted by Mike Gauthier: FYI, climbing fees are not park of the NPS fee demo program. what you are actually getting is a special use permit. I searched the nps.gov website for more information on "special use permits", and found there to be no nation-wide standard for what is "special". Many NPS sites had references to "Special Events" that required a permit. Typical is what the Golden Gate National Rec. Area has posted: "A special use permit is required of activities that provide a benefit to an individual, group or organization, rather than the public at large . . ." like "sporting events, public spectator attractions, festivals, concerts, ceremonies, cultural programs." NPS sites in Washington State are unique in charging a fee for climbing (Not that special of an event on a mountain, IMO.). The Mount Rainier National Park (MORA) website (www.nps.gov/mora/) refers to climbing fees as a "Climbing Cost Recovery Fee" designed to recoup "costs for climber safety and education, upper mountain human waste management, and program administration". It's charged to people who wander onto glaciers, or go above 10,000'. Other NPS sites where climbing is practiced, but not considered "special" (so not targeted for extra fees) include Devil's Tower, Yosemite, Sequoia and Kings Canyon (which, BTW, includes Mt Whitney which is over 10,000' and visited by thousands of defecating people every year), Joshua Tree, and Grand Teton, among others. MORA's "program management" must be costly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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