Greg_W Posted August 19, 2002 Share Posted August 19, 2002 I recently met someone who used to climb in Leavenworth back in the 80's. I brought up the Enchantments and she told me that the Forest Service used to have sensors on the Snow Lakes Trail to count hikers going in as compared to number of permits issued. Now, even for a right-wing conspiracy theorist like myself, this is a bit on the edge. Any of you older climbers hear about this back then? Just curious. Thanks, Greg W Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted August 19, 2002 Share Posted August 19, 2002 if a snafflehound walks by does it set off the motion sensor? Or a deer? Or a cougar? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg_W Posted August 19, 2002 Author Share Posted August 19, 2002 quote: Originally posted by Dru: if a snafflehound walks by does it set off the motion sensor? Or a deer? Or a cougar? No idea, just trying to get the straight story or debunk a myth. Next on the Ed Sullivan Show: Snafflehound Rock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon Posted August 19, 2002 Share Posted August 19, 2002 GREG WATCH OUT FOR THE SNAFFLEHOUNDS WITH THE FRICKIN LAZER BEAMZ!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg_W Posted August 19, 2002 Author Share Posted August 19, 2002 AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!! Little Bastards!! [ 08-19-2002, 04:06 PM: Message edited by: Greg W ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted August 19, 2002 Share Posted August 19, 2002 ... because even snafflehounds deserve a warm meal ... Hard to imagine that the USFS would have its shit together to be that high-tech and insidious back in the 80s, a time when they were primarily focused on maximizing production of board-feet. Mulder might have a different view. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fern Posted August 19, 2002 Share Posted August 19, 2002 I know of 2 of these counters in BC Prov parks. No permit system, just counting users. One is on the stairs up the Chief backside trail, the other is on the stairs to the nudist beach Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted August 20, 2002 Share Posted August 20, 2002 combine the two and count backsides at the nudist beach Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Off_White Posted August 20, 2002 Share Posted August 20, 2002 I've seen one on the approach trail to Spring Mountain in eastern Oregon last fall. The routine was to walk around the backside of the widget, just to thwart whatever was going on, but I have no idea just what they expected to decide with the data gathered Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chode-A-Boy Posted August 20, 2002 Share Posted August 20, 2002 I've seen a couple of these things in Idaho. I like to just jump up and down on them for a while and inflate the #'s. Although in retrospect maybe they have a video camera as well. My climbing outfit is a bit conspicuous, and I have been noticing late model sedans around my neighborhood... hmmmm....... [ 08-19-2002, 06:36 PM: Message edited by: Chode-A-Boy ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chode-A-Boy Posted August 20, 2002 Share Posted August 20, 2002 WHERES MY AUTO SIG!!??? YOU BASTARDS!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaseabbott Posted August 20, 2002 Share Posted August 20, 2002 Jon.... don't you have Chod-a-boy's hat at home? Ass hat has a whole new meaning... Chicken F'er.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon Posted August 20, 2002 Share Posted August 20, 2002 Ok meow I tried to be nice about this. Get rid of the dildo autosig or stop posting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iain Posted August 20, 2002 Share Posted August 20, 2002 quote: Originally posted by Chode-A-Boy: I have been noticing late model sedans around my neighborhood With that outfit I would expect windowless mid-80's chevy vans and such. A primer coat would complete the picture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 20, 2002 Share Posted August 20, 2002 Despite the popularity of the Alpine Lakes the Leavenworth District is ridiculously under funded in it's wilderness and recreation programs. I seriously doubt there were counters on the trails back then meow, as they can barely afford to pay any rangers these days. Also, the purpose of the counters (and trailhead registration cards) is to give the district managers an idea of how many people use a given area so that they can direct work and request funding appropriately. I'm not preaching, I never fill out cards, buy passes or register for the Enchantments, but I can see why a better citizen would. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 20, 2002 Share Posted August 20, 2002 Sweet, I'm a HC Lover now. I'm more of a HG Lover though, High Gravity and High Altitude research Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allison Posted August 21, 2002 Share Posted August 21, 2002 Creepy! FWIW my buddy Kim was on a TM work party, a weeklong WTA in the Es last week, and they were joined by a number of FS rangers over the course of their tour. Kim tells me that these rangers spent a lot of time checking permits up there, and turned several people back for not having them. Additionally the rangers were doing enforcement on the north side of Temple Ridge, ya know, where Shield and Earle and all of that climbing is around Temple Cyn. I was up on that side week before last and didn't see any people, let alone rangers, but apparently they do go over there looking for people without permits! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gapertimmy Posted August 21, 2002 Share Posted August 21, 2002 we used some of these in yosemite, its basically a seismic sensor. we would place them at remote trail crossings into the park in hopes of catching poachers when they entered the park. the sensor was buried under ground, and the radio antenna was usually hidden in bushes nearby. When someone, or something, would walk over, the radio was programed to transmit to a repeater, and said ranger's radio would get a signal of a computer voice saying a number designated for that sensor. pretty freakin cool if you ask me, the technology that is. so if they use them in yosemite, i'm sure forest service peeps have them as well. in fact, just remembered this, we had borrowed these from the forest service law enforcement guys, those nazis [ 08-21-2002, 02:11 PM: Message edited by: gapertimmy ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon Posted August 21, 2002 Share Posted August 21, 2002 I really doubt they have motion sensors up there. I'd imagine that such a thing is fairly expensive, and though I might be a little ignorant on the subject the fine for not having a permit is nothing compared to those given to poachers. If I'm correct poachers face steep fines and even jail time so it is worth it for the land managers to set up sensors and use remote control animals to catch these guys. It's all about return of investment for these guys. I'm pretty sure it is meow easier for them to count cars around the trailhead and catch you there. Plus that way they get to check to see if you don't have your Forest Pass. The truth is out there! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greghinemeyer Posted August 22, 2002 Share Posted August 22, 2002 jesus christ i thought lemmon was busy. now i don't feel so bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwayner Posted August 22, 2002 Share Posted August 22, 2002 I's seen a black helicopter with U.N. markings up there near Prussik Peak. It seems to me that they be interested in how many folk be on the South Face vs. the West Ridge. Probably something to do with the Kennedy assination, oil cartels or both. I hid behind a larch tree but they probably scanned my fingerprints and DNA from afar. Now I'm typing this late at night so's they wont's know!! Hard to hide from The Man! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottP Posted August 22, 2002 Share Posted August 22, 2002 I've noticed plenty of new barcodes on the backs of the trail signs and on the downstream side of bridges. And something else I noticed this summer is the little magnetic strips that they are putting in the permits and forest passes. What's up with that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iain Posted August 22, 2002 Share Posted August 22, 2002 quote: Originally posted by Dwayner: I's seen a black helicopter with U.N. markings up there near Prussik Peak. Silly, everyone knows UN helicopters are only available in sissy white! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted August 22, 2002 Share Posted August 22, 2002 quote: Originally posted by ScottP: I've noticed plenty of new barcodes on the backs of the trail signs and on the downstream side of bridges. And something else I noticed this summer is the little magnetic strips that they are putting in the permits and forest passes. What's up with that? mark of the beast- see Revelations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottP Posted August 22, 2002 Share Posted August 22, 2002 quote: Originally posted by Dru: quote:Originally posted by ScottP: I've noticed plenty of new barcodes on the backs of the trail signs and on the downstream side of bridges. And something else I noticed this summer is the little magnetic strips that they are putting in the permits and forest passes. What's up with that? mark of the beast- see Revelations. 667- The neighbor of the Beast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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