John Frieh Posted June 28, 2005 Share Posted June 28, 2005 That's why I get gas just before I cross into Oregon and try my damnedest to have enough gas to cross back before refueling. Oregon gas. Not after this Friday when WA's new gas tax goes into effect... can you say "cheaper"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dechristo Posted June 28, 2005 Share Posted June 28, 2005 How much is the bump? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Frieh Posted June 28, 2005 Share Posted June 28, 2005 (edited) 9.5 cents per gallon over the next four years! Combine that with 60 dollars a barrel crude and top it off with the fact that you still get to pump it yourself Edited June 28, 2005 by NOLSe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dechristo Posted June 28, 2005 Share Posted June 28, 2005 Shit! There's at least ten barrels of crude posted on this website every day. Somebody's makin' bank here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cj001f Posted June 28, 2005 Share Posted June 28, 2005 I don't have sources; cause I'm too lazy to search. Basically glass is heated up sand. It takes the same energy to heat sand as it does to truck used bottles back to the glass factory and melt them down to turn them into new bottles. Furthermore since glass is sand it isn't going to leach anything nasty into the aquafer under the dump. If they made bottles to be reused instead or melted down then ther would be an energy savings; but they don't. hmm. * Recycled glass saves 50% energy vs. virgin glass (Center for Ecological Technology); recycling of one glass container saves enough energy to light a 100-watt bulb for 4 hours (EPA) * Recycled glass generates 20% less air pollution and 50% less water pollution (NASA) * 1 ton of glass made from 50% recycled materials saves 250 lbs. of mining waste (EPA) * Glass can be reused an infinite number of times; over 41 billion glass containers are made each year (EPA) starting to resemble Fairweather in your accuracy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klenke Posted June 28, 2005 Share Posted June 28, 2005 Kurt, you risk the weekly CBS Award for stupidest comment on cc.com. I think you're wrong and a little online research seems to confirm this. It's not just about energy costs to reuse materials, it is the cost (to the environment) to use up stuff and not reuse it. If your energy problem were the only problem there wouldn't be much point in recycling anything (paper, aluminum, metal in general, plastic). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sk Posted June 28, 2005 Share Posted June 28, 2005 Good god. The only thing dumber than the gas law is people who get bent out of shape over it. "mommy, please can I have my hands smell like gasoline and stand outside in the wind? Please?" so true. it's not any more expensive so why the heck not have someone pump your gas and clean your windshield???? someone at a gas station told me that the law was passed to protect jobs. i still have yet to pump my own gas. when i go to washington i stand by my car and look helpless and someone will pump my gas for me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobra_Commander Posted June 28, 2005 Share Posted June 28, 2005 so what's the longest you've waited? a couple days? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyladycaver Posted June 28, 2005 Author Share Posted June 28, 2005 and you call yourself TUFFGIRL???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyladycaver Posted June 28, 2005 Author Share Posted June 28, 2005 frankly...I'm just surprised that they can find anyone in OR to do the job...it's gotta be shitty pay......you sure wouldn't find any ky boy doin it.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Frieh Posted June 28, 2005 Share Posted June 28, 2005 you sure wouldn't find any ky boy doin it.... Yup.. they can't read the gas grades so they don't qualify for employment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted June 28, 2005 Share Posted June 28, 2005 I think the K-Y boys are pumping something other than gas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbw1966 Posted June 28, 2005 Share Posted June 28, 2005 .....you sure wouldn't find any ky boy doin it.... You got that right! Here's a "ky boy" getting ready to get jiggy wid it. You got a reel purdy mouth boy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlpineK Posted June 28, 2005 Share Posted June 28, 2005 (edited) I don't have sources; cause I'm too lazy to search. Basically glass is heated up sand. It takes the same energy to heat sand as it does to truck used bottles back to the glass factory and melt them down to turn them into new bottles. Furthermore since glass is sand it isn't going to leach anything nasty into the aquafer under the dump. If they made bottles to be reused instead or melted down then ther would be an energy savings; but they don't. hmm. * Recycled glass saves 50% energy vs. virgin glass (Center for Ecological Technology); recycling of one glass container saves enough energy to light a 100-watt bulb for 4 hours (EPA) * Recycled glass generates 20% less air pollution and 50% less water pollution (NASA) * 1 ton of glass made from 50% recycled materials saves 250 lbs. of mining waste (EPA) * Glass can be reused an infinite number of times; over 41 billion glass containers are made each year (EPA) starting to resemble Fairweather in your accuracy Yet we have this quote from Recycling Today: MATERIALS PROCESSED A second major trend is that facilities are taking a hard look at the materials that they process, striving to achieve a high quality recovered stream. In some cases, separate paper MRFs have been established. In part, this reflects optimism from 1995 with respect to revenues from recycled paper, but it also reflects the notion that separating high quality streams from more contaminated commingled containers will result in greater access to tighter markets. There is also increased reliance on automation to separate the fiber stream. In addition, much attention is being devoted to the problematic glass stream, with its high processing cost and low market value. Some MRFs are investing in equipment to achieve better color separation and to reduce unusable residue, while others are searching for alternative uses. Others have dropped glass from curbside collection. Source I believe the problem is that glass takes so much energy to process before you remelt it that the energy equasion is neutral. I'm sure if you have a source of washed and sorted glass then recycling does make sense, however human nature doesn't work that way. Besides I didn't come up with this idea from listening to a program on FOX news quite the opposite I heard this on a program funded by Fairweather's dreaded liberal ellite. Klenke The answer to your statement is to try and not be a wastefull consumer in the first place. Edited June 28, 2005 by AlpineK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cj001f Posted June 28, 2005 Share Posted June 28, 2005 Layoff the pot dude. If they made bottles to be reused instead or melted down then ther would be an energy savings; but they don't Isn't the same as: with its high processing cost and low market value Note none of the points I posted referred to cost savings; they referred to environmental benefits of reduced energy consumption and pollution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashw_justin Posted June 28, 2005 Share Posted June 28, 2005 Higher quality, reusable bottles. Jesus people, a third world country has it's shit together better than we do (it's true in a lot of ways). New bottle: Bottle "recycled" probably at least 100 times: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlpineK Posted June 28, 2005 Share Posted June 28, 2005 Note none of the points I posted referred to cost savings; they referred to environmental benefits of reduced energy consumption and pollution. There is a direct correlation between cost of a process and energy use. It costs more to drive your Hummer to Smith than it does to drive your Prius. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mec Posted June 28, 2005 Share Posted June 28, 2005 but who would want to be seen in a Prius? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archenemy Posted June 28, 2005 Share Posted June 28, 2005 Especially when everyone knows that what you really want is a hummer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cj001f Posted June 28, 2005 Share Posted June 28, 2005 There is a direct correlation between cost of a process and energy use. It costs more to drive your Hummer to Smith than it does to drive your Prius. Bullshit. Energy consumption & cost are not intrinsically linked. What part of Recycled glass saves 50% energy vs. virgin glass don't you understand of accept? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foraker Posted June 28, 2005 Share Posted June 28, 2005 Is it appropriate to factor in the 'cost' of not having to buy land to bury all that glass in a landfill (not to mention trucks/gas to do it, etc)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducknut Posted June 28, 2005 Share Posted June 28, 2005 I would think that the mining and transportation costs of manufacturing new bottles would be higher than recycling old. Also although I don't know how to quantify the costs, it seems that there are costs due to loss of land due to mining and waste disposal. After all the materials don't just appear at the factory door and disappear when we throw them in the trash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mec Posted June 28, 2005 Share Posted June 28, 2005 What about the environmental cost of the methane produced by the cows that fed the miner the mined the sand, which was put on a truck to the glass factory where glass was produced, then turned into a bottle which was shipped to a filling factory to be filled then sent to a distribution warehouse then sent to a store and picked up by joe consumer and brought to his house where he then took it to the beach with him and drank it and put it in a recycling bin where it was picked up and driven the rest of the route in the back of a truck and brought to a transfer station where it was then shipped on another truck to the recycler where it was separated ground and remelted and on and on and on and on.... my that gets expensive. It is amazing we can buy a Coke and the bottle for less than a buck!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted June 28, 2005 Share Posted June 28, 2005 Higher quality, reusable bottles. Jesus people, a third world country has it's shit together better than we do (it's true in a lot of ways). New bottle: Bottle "recycled" probably at least 100 times: That's Reusing not Recycling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyladycaver Posted June 28, 2005 Author Share Posted June 28, 2005 you're right...the ky boys don't know how to read....just how to sign their monthly checks for disability........sigh...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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