From J-B's Gospel..

[Peter_Puget]

Speaking of disingenuous..... Democrats

 

Free mind free markets.... the real deal

[selkirk]

For those of you who spend all day spraying... the effect will be negligible

[Squid]

right back at ya

 

link

[Squid]

Wanna think in rigid lock-step with PP?

 

Read, aborb, regurgitate the credos of the following 3 organizations.

 

Cato Institute

The Heritage Foundation

The John Birch Society

 

Any indigestion you experience as part of ethical qualms, or logical inconsistencies is YOUR FAULT for not having CORRECT THOUGHT. If the content seems a little 'heavy' or 'deep,' then these useful tracts might be more appropriate for you:

 

Jack Chick Pamphlets

[foraker]

I notice Peter only quotes FactCheck when it happens to agree with his only too obvious politics. Talk about disingenuous......

[Peter_Puget]

Wanna think in rigid lock-step with PP?

 

Read, aborb, regurgitate the credos of the following 3 organizations.

 

Cato Institute

The Heritage Foundation

The John Birch Society

 

Any indigestion you experience as part of ethical qualms, or logical inconsistencies is YOUR FAULT for not having CORRECT THOUGHT. If the content seems a little 'heavy' or 'deep,' then these useful tracts might be more appropriate for you:

 

Jack Chick Pamphlets

 

Right ON! Those first two are great links. The third not so great but two outta three aint bad. Here's a super great link for you - The Conspiracy! Frequently you'll find great reading there.

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[olyclimber]

Kool. Thanks for the links guys. Here are my favorites:

 

link

 

click me

 

Clique

[j_b]

I would note that to date no one has refuted or even attempted to refute the forecast claiming the US wil have a greater growth rate than Europe. Nor have they discussed the potential long term impacts of such a differentail in growth rates.

 

 

you used GDP and unemployment figures to make your forecast. both have been addressed at length by multiple posters.

 

You're getting screwed

[foraker]

web page o' shame

[J_Fisher]

Free mind free markets....

 

Yer delusional. Here's the latest gem from those "free minds" on the right

 

Frist Set to Use Religious Stage on Judicial Issue

By DAVID D. KIRKPATRICK

 

Published: April 15, 2005

 

 

ASHINGTON, April 14 - As the Senate heads toward a showdown over the rules governing judicial confirmations, Senator Bill Frist, the majority leader, has agreed to join a handful of prominent Christian conservatives in a telecast portraying Democrats as "against people of faith" for blocking President Bush's nominees.

 

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Fliers for the telecast, organized by the Family Research Council and scheduled to originate at a Kentucky megachurch the evening of April 24, call the day "Justice Sunday" and depict a young man holding a Bible in one hand and a gavel in the other. The flier does not name participants, but under the heading "the filibuster against people of faith," it reads: "The filibuster was once abused to protect racial bias, and it is now being used against people of faith."

 

Organizers say they hope to reach more than a million people by distributing the telecast to churches around the country, over the Internet and over Christian television and radio networks and stations.

 

Dr. Frist's spokesman said the senator's speech in the telecast would reflect his previous remarks on judicial appointments. In the past he has consistently balanced a determination "not to yield" on the president's nominees with appeals to the Democrats for compromise. He has distanced himself from the statements of others like the House majority leader, Tom DeLay, who have attacked the courts, saying they are too liberal, "run amok" or are hostile to Christianity.

 

The telecast, however, will put Dr. Frist in a very different context. Asked about Dr. Frist's participation in an event describing the filibuster "as against people of faith," his spokesman, Bob Stevenson, did not answer the question directly.

 

"Senator Frist is doing everything he can to ensure judicial nominees are treated fairly and that every senator has the opportunity to give the president their advice and consent through an up or down vote," Mr. Stevenson said, adding, "He has spoken to groups all across the nation to press that point, and as long as a minority of Democrats continue to block a vote, he will continue to do so."

 

Some of the nation's most influential evangelical Protestants are participating in the teleconference in Louisville, including Dr. James C. Dobson, founder of Focus on the Family; Chuck Colson, the born-again Watergate figure and founder of Prison Fellowship Ministries; and Dr. Al Mohler, president of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary.

 

The event is taking place as Democrats and Republicans alike are escalating their public relations campaigns in anticipation of an imminent confrontation. The Democratic minority has blocked confirmation of 10 of President Bush's judicial nominees by preventing Republicans from gaining the 60 votes needed to close debate, using the filibuster tactic often used by political minorities and most notoriously employed by opponents of civil rights.

 

Dr. Frist has threatened that the Republican majority might change the rules to require only a majority vote on nominees, and Democrats have vowed to bring Senate business to a standstill if he does.

 

On Thursday, one wavering Republican, Senator John McCain of Arizona, told a television interviewer, Chris Matthews, that he would vote against the change.

 

"By the way, when Bill Clinton was president, we, effectively, in the Judiciary Committee blocked a number of his nominees," Mr. McCain said.

 

On Thursday the Judiciary Committee sent the nomination of Thomas B. Griffith for an appellate court post to the Senate floor. Democrats say they do not intend to block Mr. Griffith's nomination.

 

That cleared the way for the committee to approve several previously blocked judicial appointees in the next two weeks.

 

The telecast also signals an escalation of the campaign for the rule change by Christian conservatives who see the current court battle as the climax of a 30-year culture war, a chance to reverse decades of legal decisions about abortion, religion in public life, gay rights and marriage.

 

"As the liberal, anti-Christian dogma of the left has been repudiated in almost every recent election, the courts have become the last great bastion for liberalism," Tony Perkins, president of the Family Research Council and organizer of the telecast, wrote in a message on the group's Web site. "For years activist courts, aided by liberal interest groups like the A.C.L.U., have been quietly working under the veil of the judiciary, like thieves in the night, to rob us of our Christian heritage and our religious freedoms."

 

Democrats accused Dr. Frist of exploiting religious faith for political ends by joining the telecast. "No party has a monopoly on faith, and for Senator Frist to participate in this kind of telecast just throws more oil on the partisan flames," said Senator Charles E. Schumer, Democrat of New York.

 

But Mr. Perkins stood by the characterization of Democrats as hostile to faith. "What they have done is, they have targeted people for reasons of their faith or moral position," he said, referring to Democratic criticisms of nominees over their views of cases about abortion rights or public religious expressions.

 

"The issue of the judiciary is really something that has been veiled by this 'judicial mystique' so our folks don't really understand it, but they are beginning to connect the dots," Mr. Perkins said in an interview, reciting a string of court decisions about prayer or displays of religion.

 

"They were all brought about by the courts," he said.

 

Democrats, for their part, are already stepping up their efforts to link Dr. Frist and the rule change with conservatives statements about unaccountable judges hostile to faith.

 

On Thursday, Mr. Schumer released an open letter calling on Dr. Frist to denounce such attacks. "The last thing we need is inflammatory rhetoric which on its face encourages violence against judges," he wrote.

[Peter_Puget]

Sorry the delusion is on your part if you equate the libertarians and the "religious right" Or as Forwaker would say disingenuous...

[foraker]

No, the delusion is your if you happen to think that the current administration is what's best for America. I think the Bush Administration has taken what was good about the Republicans and conservatives and warped it into something destructive and unholy.

[j_b]

well, PP is certainly delusional to think we can go back to the age of the robber barons without some major social upheaval (perhaps he doesn't care for he'd have cashed in by then). but it's a mistake to think what's going on was started by the bush administration; the thatcher and reagan administration (PP's true heroes) are the initial culprits. bush is only trying to finish the job as fast as possible before he gets canned.

[Fairweather]

Actually 6 weeks this year. I'll not be thinking about you while climbing in the Dolomites for 4 weeks this summer.

 

Let me guess... a government job? It's interesting that many of those in the public sector take 6 weeks vacation and work a straight 40 (or less) hour week... all-the-while touting their educational credentials as entitlement and claiming there's no place in their department to save taxpayer dollars. Then, hop aboard a fuel guzzling 747 to climb in Europe whilst they decry those other Americans who drive SUV's and 'live too well'! uking graemlin:

 

How much vacation time do you think those in the private sector average, Jim? You know...those poor saps who pay the taxes that go toward your salary and cushy lifestyle. Do you really believe that your place in this society entitles you to such hypocrisy?

 

How's the size 10 taste? I'm in the private sector.

 

Just assumed, based on your bio, that you were a public employee. While the private sector holds many environmental jobs, not too many refer to themselves as ecologist. Frankly, I'm not sure I believe you.

 

Also, you conveniently neglected to address the hypocricy issue:

 

...Then, hop aboard a fuel guzzling 747 to climb in Europe whilst they decry those other Americans who drive SUV's and 'live too well'!...

[JayB]

Evil One:

 

I knew there was a reason I liked Thatcher and Reagan so much! If only you'd state how you've always had a passionate loathing for F.A. Von Hayek you'll make my day....

[KaskadskyjKozak]

I knew there was a reason I liked Thatcher and Reagan so much...

 

Based on the amount of rabid liberal hatred they elicited, you know they had to be doing something right.

[Fairweather]

The leftists of "then" sound just like "now". Reagan was a great man. His deployment of the advanced Pershing II in europe was brilliant. I hope to visit his memorial this summer.

 

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/6/10/111151.shtml

[olyclimber]

That's it. I'm convinced. I'm going to become a conservative. Where do I sign up?

[Dru]

The leftists of "then" sound just like "now". Reagan was a great man.

 

WE’VE GOT A BIGGER PROBLEM NOW

Last call for alcohol. Last call for your freedom of speech. Drink up. Happy hour is now enforced by law. Don't forget our house special, it's called a Trickie Dickie Screwdriver. It's got one part Jack Daniels, two parts purple Kool-Aid, and a jigger of formaldehyde from the jar with Hitler's brain in it we got in the back storeroom. Happy trails to you. Happy trails to you.

 

I am Emperor Ronald Reagan

Born again with fascist cravings

Still, you made me president

Human rights will soon go ‘way

I am now you Shah today

Now I command all of you

Now you’re gonna pray in school

I’ll make sure they’re Christian too

 

Chorus: California Uber alles

Uber alles California

 

Ku Klux Klan will control you

Still you think it’s natural

* knockin’ for the master race

Still you wear the happy face

You closed your eyes, can’t happen here

Alexander Haig is near

Vietnam won’t come back you say

Join the army or you will pay

(Chorus)

Yeah, that's it. Just relax. Have another drink, few more pretzels, little more MSG. Turn on those Dallas Cowboys on your TV. Lock your doors. Close your mind. It's time for the two-minute warning.

 

Welcome to 1984

Are you ready for the Third World War?!?

You too will meet the secret police

They’ll draft you and they’ll jail your niece

You’ll go quietly to boot camp

They’ll shoot you dead, make you a man

Don’t you worry, it’s for a cause

Feeding global corporations’ claws

Die on our brand new poison gas

El Salvador or Afghanistan

Making money for President Reagan

And all the friends of President Reagan

 

(Chorus)

[foraker]

[quoteBased on the amount of rabid liberal hatred they elicited, you know they had to be doing something right.

 

By that twisted logic, Clinton must have been a great president too based on the amount of conservative hatred he's elicited.

[Dechristo]

[quoteBased on the amount of rabid liberal hatred they elicited, you know they had to be doing something right.

 

By that twisted logic, Clinton must have been a great president too based on the amount of conservative hatred he's elicited.

 

You missed the subtle deprecation of absolutism in ideology in that quote; unless, I've missed the same portion of humility in your statement... I've misconstrued before.

 

 

Of course, I've had four pints of stout... maybe I'm reading more into it than is there.

 

[j_b]

comparison of the UK, the church of laissez-faire in Europe, with Sweden, a classic so-called "welfare state".

 

 

"Let’s compare the United Kingdom – a pioneer of neoliberalism – and Sweden: one of the last outposts of distributionism. And let’s make use of a set of statistics the Economist is unlikely to dispute: those contained within its own publication, the 2005 World in Figures.(6)

 

The first surprise, for anyone who has swallowed the stories about our unrivalled economic dynamism, is that, in terms of gross domestic product, Sweden has done as well as we have. In 2002 its GDP per capita was $27,310, and the UK’s was $26,240. This is no blip. In only seven years between 1960 and 2001 did Sweden’s per capita GDP fall behind the United Kingdom’s.(7)

 

More surprisingly still, Sweden has a current account surplus of $10bn and the UK a deficit of $26bn. Even by the neoliberals’ favourite measures, Sweden wins: it has a lower inflation rate than ours, higher “global competitiveness” and a higher ranking for “business creativity and research”.

 

In terms of human welfare, there is no competition. According to the quality of life measure published by the Economist (the “human development index”) Sweden ranks third in the world, the UK 11th. Sweden has the world’s third highest life expectancy, the UK the 29th. In Sweden, there are 74 telephone lines and 62 computers per hundred people; in the UK just 59 and 41.

 

The contrast between the averaged figures is stark enough, but it’s far greater for the people at the bottom of the social heap. Perhaps unsurprisingly, the Economist does not publish this data, but the United Nations does. Its Human Development Report for 2004 shows that in Sweden 6.3% of the population lives below the absolute poverty line for developed nations ($11 a day).(8) In the United Kingdom the figure is 15.7%. Seven and a half per cent of Swedish adults are functionally illiterate – just over one third of the UK’s figure of 21.8%. In the United Kingdom, according to a separate study, you are over three times as likely to stay in the economic class into which you were born than you are in Sweden.(9) So much for the deregulated market creating opportunity.

 

The reason for these differences is straightforward. Over most of the 20th century, Sweden has pursued, in the words of a recent pamphlet published by the Catalyst Forum, “policies designed to narrow the inequality of condition between social classes”.(10) These include what the Economist calls “punitive taxes” and “grandiose programmes of public spending”, which, remember, do “nothing but harm”. These policies in fact appear to have enhanced the country’s economic competitiveness, while ensuring that the poor obtain a higher proportion of total national income. In Sweden, according to the UN, the richest 10% earn 6.2 times as much money as the poorest 10%. In the UK the ratio is 13.8.(11)"

 

http://www.monbiot.com/archives/2005/01/11/punitive-and-it-works/

[cj001f]

Reagan was a great man.

Add Pinochet to your list.

1)Privatized state industries

2)Privatized state pension

3)Spent laviciously on arms

4)Poured roads through anywhere he could

5)Avowed foe of leftists

[Fairweather]

I liked Peron too. And Fujimori. They all took heroic action to save their nations from communism.

[Dru]

They all took heroic action to line their own pockets and destroy democracy by killing their political rivals too. Fuck em. I hope they imprison that frail old Pinochet in the dirtiest shit hole prison they have.