Murders Orchestrated For The Camera.

[foraker]

isn't embedding reporters into army units 'manufacturing' the news?

[Dru]

war is manufactured news.

[Winter]

Isn't deceiving the American people with false information on WMD manufacturing a war?

[cj001f]

Isn't deceiving the American people with false information on WMD manufacturing a war?

But they did with the best of intentions!

[Winter]

Isn't relying on a climbing web site for political and civic engagement manufacturing anti-social behavior?

[slothrop]

I wasn't making a personal attack, Peter. If you think one photograph's interpretation can be said to contain the entire history of the war, you're an idiot. Are you in that category? I think you're just being disingenuous, as usual.

 

If I see a photograph of Iraqis dancing around charred corpses, it means it really happened. Were they celebrating to impress the journalist? Because they were really happy about dead foreigners? What does that say about the war? Such a photograph is "good" because it asks those questions. This is why a photograph of an M1 Abrams just sitting behind a berm is boring. There are not many deep questions to be asked about such a photo.

 

The thousands of photographs of Iraqis with purple fingers after the election, some even taken (horrors!) by Iraqi photographers, are certainly candidates for 2005's Pulitzers, doncha think? Even though they don't tell the whole story of the election?

[cj001f]

Isn't relying on a climbing web site for political and civic engagement manufacturing anti-social behavior?

If you can stand ¨society¨ sober more power to you.

[Peter_Puget]

Peter, would you rather those photos not have been taken? That we wouldn't know of the events that occured?

 

Would they have been taken if there were no photographers?

[Peter_Puget]

what's the matter peter? the warranty on that bile duct bypass operation finally expire?

 

Ouch!

[Dru]

Peter, would you rather those photos not have been taken? That we wouldn't know of the events that occured?

 

Would they have been taken if there were no photographers?

 

would dean potter have soloed astroman if he wasn't being filmed for masters of stone?

[TheJiggler]

Peter, would you rather those photos not have been taken? That we wouldn't know of the events that occured?

 

Would they have been taken if there were no photographers?

 

In other words if a murder occurs and there are no witnesses, did it really occur?

[Dru]

How can you take photos with no photographers? You mean like surveillance cameras?

[Peter_Puget]

I wasn't making a personal attack, Peter. If you think one photograph's interpretation can be said to contain the entire history of the war, you're an idiot. Are you in that category? I think you're just being disingenuous, as usual.

 

If I see a photograph of Iraqis dancing around charred corpses, it means it really happened. Were they celebrating to impress the journalist? Because they were really happy about dead foreigners? What does that say about the war? Such a photograph is "good" because it asks those questions. This is why a photograph of an M1 Abrams just sitting behind a berm is boring. There are not many deep questions to be asked about such a photo.

 

The thousands of photographs of Iraqis with purple fingers after the election, some even taken (horrors!) by Iraqi photographers, are certainly candidates for 2005's Pulitzers, doncha think? Even though they don't tell the whole story of the election?

 

Again you miss the point. sigh. I never wrote that one photo may contain the history of the war. I never wrote that the event depicted were untrue in the sense that peopel weren't killed. Notice I am not usingthe word disingenuous or the word idiot.

 

Best comment on the award I have read:

So it's not a case of a brave photographer unearthing the ugly truth. It's a case of the AP's presence contributing to the death of two men, their going through with the release of the photos even after it later realized the murders were staged for its benefit, and then nominating itself for the Pulitizer.

[Peter_Puget]

Well Peter, I would hope that you could find consolation, peace and solice, in the fact that the Willamette Week, a small Oregon weekly, won a Pulitzer Prize for confirming that a certain former Oregon Governer had his penis in a girl who was repeatedly under 15 years old.

 

Talk about keeping your pimp hand stong!

 

I repeatedly turned 29!

[rbw1966]

[j_b]

“The AP's crime? In so many words, they are guilty of showing the conflict in Iraq the way that it is, and not the way that the conservative blogosphere wishes that it were. The right wants those pictures of rose petals and liberation parades that Dick Cheney promised them three years ago, and now they're mad they didn't get them.

 

If reality bites, don't blame them.”

 

[...]

 

“Easy and safe and free -- free to sit at a computer and try to smear the courageous Americans -- and Iraqis -- who are getting shot at while they bring our cherished First Amendment back home.”

 

 

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000873117

[Fairweather]

Hey, j_b! This is one of my favorites:

[ScottP]

Hey, j_b! This is one of my favorites:

 

Have you ever seen the film of this event?

[willstrickland]

Didn't know there was film of that execution. But, I see that I am not the only one who immediately thought of that photo wrt this thread.

 

What was signifcant or revealing about the film?

[Fairweather]

Yes. I was very young when I saw it. The blood squirting from the condemned man's head as he fell was shocking. The press at the time played it up as an atrocity, for they were just as one-sided then as they are now. The following might shed a little light on the event, but I'm sure that j_b will remain as inconsistent regarding this press-fairness matter as ever:

 

http://www.treefort.org/~cbdoten/rvntanks/080-4450.htm

[j_b]

Hey, j_b! This is one of my favorites:

 

why don't you tell us something we don't already know about you. get help.

[Squid]

I'm happy to see that all the regulars have shown and are in their customary roles.

 

This site reminds me of Huis Clos.

[AlpineK]

I agree with Peter Puget and Fairweather. We should only be shown hapy friendly images of war...troops skipping off to battle, or happy familys burying pesky family members who were so fortuitously killed in battle.

 

All those other pictures are just downers. What say we get rid of the first amendment so those wise people in charge can show us happy pictures and punish those trouble makers who are just so negative.

[barkernews]

Staging a photo op is staging a photo op. They are both propaganda.

 

Since you made the accusation that the photographer was 'most likely' working for the insurgency I invite YOU to post some evidence. Seriously. Its not up to me or anyone else here to back up your assertions.

 

amen.

[Fairweather]

Actually, AK, the sight of a communist guerilla's execution is a happy image IMO.

 

...And there you go again, crybabyin' about your first ammendment rights when, in fact, no one on the right has ever suggested press freedoms be curtailed insomuch as their reporting doesn't compromise troop safety ala Jeraldo Rivera. Quite the opposite, in fact. The only ones that [/i] I[/i] ever hear calling for media restrictions are lefties like you who hate talk radio and FOX News.

 

Just remember: If a media outlet expresses its free speech rights via biased reporting and images, it can't claim those same rights are being violated just because viewers decide to change the channel or because watchdog groups cry foul. It's freedom...and it works both ways.

 

And if you really want to talk about press freedom, or lack thereof, we need only look to your socialist paradise up north ...

 

http://www.cascadeclimbers.com/threadz/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/448934/an/0/page/0/gonew/1#UNREAD