Dru Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 hibernates in winter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeebus Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 it is because of all this unresolved bickering that I have put off my first winter ascent of K2...zzzzzz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefan Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 This is similar to the Seven Summits. Â Some do not consider the high point of Australia to be the high point of the continent. Some consider Carstenz Pyramid to be the high point. The problem is, Carstenz Pyramid is not physically located on a continent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cj001f Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 (edited) - Edited December 14, 2004 by cj001f Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 This is similar to the Seven Summits. Some do not consider the high point of Australia to be the high point of the continent. Some consider Carstenz Pyramid to be the high point. The problem is, Carstenz Pyramid is not physically located on a continent.  The problem is, it is located on a continent. The same continental crust underlies both Australia and New Guinea and the intervening sea is very shallow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefan Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 Dude. Humans have learned there are seven continents. One of them is Australia. Â We don't learn Australasia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 The poor quality of your schooling does not change reality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DPS Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 Damn you scientists Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefan Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 The poor quality of your schooling does not change reality. Â Scienceman: Is New Guinea an Island or a Continent? Yes, it may lay on a continental shelf, but is it an Island or a Continent? Â BTW: Anvil Island is called an Island becuase it is an ISLAND even though is it on the continental shelf. Besides, I have been there, done that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klenke Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 (edited) Definition as per Webster's: CONTINENT: continuous mass of land, mainland. Random House: CONTINENT: 1. one of the main land masses of the globe, usually reckoned as seven in number (Europe, Asia, Africa, North America, South America, Australia, and Antarctica). 3. the mainland, as distinguished from islands or peninsulas. Â Continental crust and continent in my mind are two different things. Edited December 14, 2004 by klenke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 You are making a false distinction. Britain is part of Europe. Vancouver Island is part of North America. In the Mesozoic, when a shallow sea connected Hudson Bay to the Gulf of Mexico, the Appalachians and Rockies were still on the same continent. Â Hawaii, however, is NOT part of North America. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iain Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 I didn't think this topic could get any worse, yet behold... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 You are just jealous at my catch, Mr "Can't Hook CBS" . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefan Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 You are making a false distinction. Britain is part of Europe. Vancouver Island is part of North America. In the Mesozoic, when a shallow sea connected Hudson Bay to the Gulf of Mexico, the Appalachians and Rockies were still on the same continent. Hawaii, however, is NOT part of North America.  Why does Vancouver Island have the word "Island" in it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 What about Echo Island in Harrison Lake? Hmmm? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olyclimber Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 I wanted to be the first person to climb the highest point on every individual piece of land (including all islands), but I got a late start. In the winter. So far, I haven't got any. Â It's a bit like measuring the length of the shoreline of a land mass, a fractal problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cj001f Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 Definition as per Webster's: CONTINENT: continuous mass of land, mainland. Random House: CONTINENT: 1. one of the main land masses of the globe, usually reckoned as seven in number (Europe, Asia, Africa, North America, South America, Australia, and Antarctica). 3. the mainland, as distinguished from islands or peninsulas. Â Continental crust and continent in my mind are two different things. Definition per wikipedia: Seven Continents: Africa, Antarctica, Asia, Oceania, Europe, North America, and South America. Six Continents: Africa, Antarctica,Oceania, Eurasia, North America, and South America. Six Continents: Africa, America, Antarctica, Asia, Oceania, and Europe. Five Continents: Africa, America, Australasia (Oceania), Antarctica, Eurasia. Five Continents: Africa, America, Oceania, Europe, Asia. Four Continents: America,Oceania, Antarctica, Eurafrasia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefan Posted December 15, 2004 Share Posted December 15, 2004 Dru, Â What is the heighth of Carstenz Pyramid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted December 15, 2004 Share Posted December 15, 2004 You can look it up on Google  Hint: Carstensz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefan Posted December 15, 2004 Share Posted December 15, 2004 You can look it up on Google  Hint: Carstensz  I did exactly what you said. Elevation is 4884 meters.  I guess that means they measured it from sea level and not plate tectonic level. If it is sea level, then I guess everything underneath sea level doesn't count. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefan Posted December 15, 2004 Share Posted December 15, 2004 I was reading the story and it got me wondering... What qualifies as a calendar winter ascent?  Not starting the approach until the first day of winter?  Starting the approach before the first day of winter but not starting the route until the first day of winter (example: ski to the base and then sit and wait for the first day of winter before starting)?  Starting the route prior to the first day of winter but not summiting until the first day of winter (example: climb Liberty Ridge over 3 days and on the third day which also happens to be the first day of winter summit and descend)?  What is the definition of a proper calendar winter ascent?  Okay, let's say you were climbing Dome Peak in July. Now let's say the same thing happened to the weather as it did in the movie "The Day After Tomorrow". Now would you call that a winter ascent or would you still call it a summer ascent? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted December 15, 2004 Share Posted December 15, 2004 Let's say you fly to Hawaii for the winter and drive up Mauna Loa or Mauna Kea (whichever one has the observatory)on February 15. Even if there is no snow, is that an official winter ascent? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iain Posted December 15, 2004 Share Posted December 15, 2004 exactly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeebus Posted December 15, 2004 Share Posted December 15, 2004 and how do winter ascents work in the southern hemisphere? their winter? "insert scratching head smilie" (because I'm too busy scratching my biners) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cj001f Posted December 15, 2004 Share Posted December 15, 2004 and how do winter ascents work in the southern hemisphere? their winter? Yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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