VP Debate

[cracked]

 

Will, you need to drink a beer and settle down to your usual rational self.

[RuMR]

F-off cracked...will's last post was the funniest thing i've read in a long time...

[eternalX]

The MODERATOR only tangentially identified her, speaking to Cheney of "[his] family's experience ".

 

Cheney then tiptoed around it with generalities.

 

Edwards specifically highlighted "GAY DAUGHTER".

 

Check out the transcripts

 

Uhm. Is she not gay? Is it wrong to call somebody who is gay, gay? i'm confused. What did he do again that was wrong?

[willstrickland]

Will, you need to drink a beer and settle down to your usual rational self.

 

Only if you're buying Cracked...oh wait a minute, not old enough to buy are ya? Old enough to get drafted though, funny how that works.

 

 

[mattp]

I'm with you here, Mr. X. I've seen other commentators make the point that ChucK did, but I think they are wrong. The question asked by Eiffel specifically referred to Cheney's "family situation," and he danced around specific mention of his daughter's status because the REPUBLICAN PARTY has sought to make this a divisive issue in this 2004 campaign year. For Edwards NOT to clarifiy what Cheney's "family situation" was, exactly, would have been to (1) avoid the obvious, (2) cower to the Republicans' manipulative campaign strategy, and (3) allow them to continue to try to have it both ways. I'm not saying the Democrats aren't hypocrites here, too, but the Republicans made this a campaign issue, not Kerry and Edwards.

[chucK]

In my view, he was transparently attempting to drive a wedge between Bush and homophobe voters. What I don't like is the fact that he brought Cheney's daughter into the mix.

 

I guess you could consider it all fine and proper since I'm sure the homophobe voters find this a very important issue. But even though he's turning the Repub's slimy tactics back on them, it's still slimy.

 

Gotta do what you gotta do though. I think it was excellent strategy, and though completely disingenuous, Edwards pulled it off brilliantly. But it's still nothing I would be proud of, using the other guy's family members against him.

 

[Mal_Con]

FYI

 

Here is a list of the Senate's Acting Presidents for every Tuesday session for 2001.

 

January 30 - Enzi

February 6 - Chafee

February 13 - Chafee

February 27 - Allen

March 6 - Burns

March 13 - Reid

March 20 - DeWine

March 27 - Chafee

April 3 - Smith

April 24 - Chafee

May 1 - Chafee

May 8 - Chafee

May 15 - Frist

May 22 - Chafee

June 5 - Enzi

June 12 - Byrd

June 19 - Carper

June 26 - Bayh

July 10 - Nelson

July 17 - Clinton

July 24 - Byrd

July 31 - Stabenaw

September 25 - Wellstone

October 2 - Clinton

October 9 - Clinton

October 16 - Edwards!!!!!

October 23- Byrd

October 30 - Bingaman

November 13 - Murray

November 27 - Jeffords

December 4 - Stabenaw

December 11 - Carnahan

December 18 - Nelson

 

A reward to whoever finds a Tuesday in 2002, 2003 or 2004 that Dick Cheney fulfilled his duties as President of the Senate here:

 

http://www.gpoaccess.gov/crecord/index.html

 

2002

 

Tue 1/29 - Nelson

Tue 2/5 - Kohl

Tue 2/12 - Stabenow

Tue 2/26 - Landrieu

Tue 3/5 - Edwards

Tue 3/12 - Landrieu

Tue 3/19 - Miller

Tue 4/9 - Cleland

Tue 4/16 - Reed

Tue 4/23 - Wellstone

Tue 4/30 - Nelson

Tue 5/7 - Miller

Tue 5/14 - Cleland

Tue 5/21 - Nelson

Tue 6/4 - Durbin

Tue 6/11 - Corzine

Tue 6/18 - Dayton

Tue 6/25 - Landrieu

Tue 7/9 - Reed

Tue 7/16 - Corzine

Tue 7/23 - Reed

Tue 7/30 - Clinton

Tue 9/3 - Reed

Tue 9/10 - Corzine

Tue 9/17 - Reid

Tue 9/24 - Stabenow

Tue 10/1 - Miller

Tue 10/8 - Miller

Tue 10/15 - Reid

Tue 11/12 - CHENEY! -- WE HAVE A WINNER!

Tue 11/19 - Barkley (MN)

 

2003

 

Jan 7 *Cheney*

Jan 14 Stevens

Jan 22 Stevens

Jan 28 Stevens

Feb 4 Stevens

Feb 11 Stevens

Feb 25 Stevens

Mar 4 Stevens

Mar 11 Stevens

Mar 18 Stevens

Mar 25 Stevens

Apr 1 Stevens

Apr 8 Stevens

Apr 29 Stevens

May 6 Talent

May 13 Ensign

May 20 Alexander

June 3 Stevens

June 10 Stevens

June 18 Murkowski

June 24 Coleman

July 8 Stevens

July 15 Stevens

July 22 Chaffee

July 29 Stevens

Sept 2 Stevens

Sept 9 Stevens

Sept 16 Stevens

Sept 23 Stevens

Sept 30 Sununu

Oct 21 Stevens

Oct 28 Stevens

Nov 4 Stevens

Nov 11 Warner

Nov 18 Stevens

Dec 9 Stevens

 

2004

 

1/20 - Stevens

1/27 - Enzi

2/3 - Stevens

2/10 - Stevens

3/2 - Stevens

3/9 - Hagel

3/16 - Sununu

3/23 - Stevens

3/30 - Ensign

4/6 - Cornyn

4/20 - Stevens

4/27 - Chambliss

5/4 - Stevens

5/11 - Stevens

5/18 - Stevens

6/1 - Stevens

6/8 - Hutchinson

6/15 - Stevens

6/22 - Allard

7/6 - Burns

7/13 - Stevens

7/20 - Enzi

9/7 - Stevens

9/14 - Chafee

9/21 - Enzi

9/28 - Stevens

10/05 - Stevens

 

You will note Cheney and Edwards presided over the Senate for the exact same number of times.

[AlpineK]

I thought the debate was pretty even.

 

I heard nothing that might convince me that GW and Dick Cheney don't need to be gang raped by the Borax 20 mule team.

 

[Ricardo_Montalban]

Just make sure to use the site suggested by Cheney to find the truth http://www.factcheck.com

This the THE classic fuckup of the election!!

Thanks Dick!!

[chucK]

Will, you need to drink a beer and settle down to your usual rational self.

 

Only if you're buying Cracked...oh wait a minute, not old enough to buy are ya? Old enough to get drafted though, funny how that works.

 

[eternalX]

In my view, he was transparently attempting to drive a wedge between Bush and homophobe voters. What I don't like is the fact that he brought Cheney's daughter into the mix.

 

I guess you could consider it all fine and proper since I'm sure the homophobe voters find this a very important issue. But even though he's turning the Repub's slimy tactics back on them, it's still slimy.

 

Gotta do what you gotta do though. I think it was excellent strategy, and though completely disingenuous, Edwards pulled it off brilliantly. But it's still nothing I would be proud of, using the other guy's family members against him.

 

I don't see how it's sliwmy. The question was how is the republician party treating you because you have a lesbian daughter. That might not have been how she phrased it, but by god that certainly was the question. I'm sure a lot of people weren't exactly sure what the commentator was talking about and Cheney like alawys beat around the bush. Edwards came out and clarified the question and his response. I know it didn't happen often during the debate, but we shouldn't be upset when somebody actually gives an answer to the actual question asked.