catbirdseat Posted May 4, 2004 Share Posted May 4, 2004 It highly doubtful McCain, a Republican, would agree to run on a Democrat ticket, but what if he did? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg_W Posted May 4, 2004 Share Posted May 4, 2004 McKain would be committing suicide if he ran on the DNC ticket. Who cares? Discuss a potential political reality instead of this mental masturbation. Why consume yourself in "What if's"? Â Here's one: With a Republican Congress, do you really think that Kerry would be successful in a full-scale pullout of troops from Iraq? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg_W Posted May 4, 2004 Share Posted May 4, 2004 Here's another one: How do you think it would play on the Hill and in the Public if Kerry committed to staying in Iraq, yet in his first budget cut intelligence and military spending (which, on par with his voting record, he probably would do)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbw1966 Posted May 4, 2004 Share Posted May 4, 2004 Absolutely. Political suicide would be opposing a troop pull-out. Â Its been speculated in the press that McCain might join the Kerry campaign. Doubtful but thought-provoking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catbirdseat Posted May 4, 2004 Author Share Posted May 4, 2004 What makes you think that he intends to pull the troops out? I don't think it is clear exactly what he would do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg_W Posted May 4, 2004 Share Posted May 4, 2004 DAMMIT! Okay, recall when McKain was gunning for the Republican nomination, he was quoted as saying he "would never abandon the party that got him here..." The context for this was whether or not he would go over to Perot's party just to run after it was obvious Bush was getting the steaksauce. People remember this stuff and the media would be the first to trot the soundbite out if he did move to Kerry's camp - simply to create division and sensation. McKain knows that his ENTIRE support structure, friend, and ally would be gone. Further, it would be just one more piece of evidence supporting the fact that the North Vietnamese, with the help of Russian advisors, totally brainwashed him to become a living "Manchurian Candidate". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EWolfe Posted May 4, 2004 Share Posted May 4, 2004 This post is such a GregW trap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbw1966 Posted May 4, 2004 Share Posted May 4, 2004 McCain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gotterdamerung Posted May 4, 2004 Share Posted May 4, 2004 Absolutely. Political suicide would be opposing a troop pull-out. Â I highly doubt it. The rest of the country doesn't think like the PNW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbw1966 Posted May 4, 2004 Share Posted May 4, 2004 Perhaps not, but support for the war has steadily declined. From 63% approving of the war in December to 47% now. 46% of people polled say the US never should have invaded Iraq. Bush's approval rating has also dropped. (Source: Poll Data ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dberdinka Posted May 4, 2004 Share Posted May 4, 2004 I highly doubt it. The rest of the country doesn't think like the PNW. Â Hear-yeah hear-yeah. We live in a friggin bubble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gotterdamerung Posted May 4, 2004 Share Posted May 4, 2004 No, but the PNW has long been derided as a liberal area of the country. There are other places too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
assmonkey Posted May 4, 2004 Share Posted May 4, 2004 A Kerry-McCain ticket would take Bush out of office. Period. Â Bush is not a fiscal conservative. That fact alone would sink him, if the Dems could get their program out of the shitter and actually do some effective campaigning. (I have very low hopes at this point.) Â - a s s m * n k e y Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
assmonkey Posted May 4, 2004 Share Posted May 4, 2004 No, but the PNW has long been derided as a liberal area of the country. Â I like to think of our local politics as being 'celebrated.' It's not easy being the second most progressive part of the country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshK Posted May 4, 2004 Share Posted May 4, 2004 With all the problems in Iraq and the world today, do you know what we *really* need to make this country a better, stronger, place? A constitutional amendment against gay marriage! Clearly this is the solution for all the world's problems!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markinore Posted May 4, 2004 Share Posted May 4, 2004 With all the problems in Iraq and the world today, do you know what we *really* need to make this country a better, stronger, place? A constitutional amendment against gay marriage! Clearly this is the solution for all the world's problems!! Â Well, that plus tax cuts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratboy Posted May 4, 2004 Share Posted May 4, 2004 I saw an interview with McCain where he was asked about running with Kerry. He said he was flattered and considered it, but has decided he would not be on either ticket. From all the interviews I've seen and read, he's not a big fan of Bush at all, but is loyal to the party. I don't know why he should stay loyal, though, considering his party is actively trying to rid themselves of moderates like himself, Olympia Snowe and Arlen Specter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Schuldt Posted May 4, 2004 Share Posted May 4, 2004 (edited) McCain is the real deal. I would vote for him any day. Him running for VP would hoplessly spit the Republican party. This would be a bold step, many Dems might not like it. Just think of the huge shitstorm this would cause. Edited May 4, 2004 by Dave_Schuldt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted May 4, 2004 Share Posted May 4, 2004 (edited) I too would vote for McCain over GWB, but you libs who think he's a 'moderate' haven't done your homework. He is clearly well to the right-of-center. Â Kerry cannot/will not beat Bush. Many liberals in the Dem party are just waking up to this fact. Kerry became the default nominee after Dean had his public meltdown and only now are party members beginning to realize the shit this guy has in his closet...not to mention the blatant and exploitable hypocricy the man exudes. FIVE mansions, worth a combined 35 mil! Yahts, SUV's, and a Ketchup company that has outsourced over 70% of it's workforce overseas?? WTF! Â I'll say it.... Â Mcain would beat Bush if the Republican nomination were up for grabs again. And he'd win the general election too. John Edwards, Democrat, would likely beat Bush too. As wise man once say...."you (liberals) chose unwisely". Â More to follow.... Edited May 5, 2004 by Fairweather Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EWolfe Posted May 5, 2004 Share Posted May 5, 2004 Kerry cannot/will not beat Bush. Â Whatever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted May 5, 2004 Share Posted May 5, 2004 Why doesn't the D party support the one man who stands up for their core beliefs??? Why do they put the forth the LIE that is John Kerry? Liberals are pathetic. They'd rather try to fool the moderate majority than tell us who they really are.  I've said it before; I don't like Kucinich's beliefs, but I sincerely have to respect the guy....  Race Continues for Kucinich Tuesday, May 04, 2004  Driving all over Oregon in a minivan, Ohio Rep. Dennis Kucinich (search) is speaking day after day to anyone who will listen as he continues his quixotic pursuit of the Democratic nomination.  By the time Oregon Democrats vote in their May 18 primary, Kucinich will have campaigned in the Beaver State for more than a month.  "The people of Oregon have an opportunity to help gently nudge the Democratic Party (search) on the issue of the war," said Kucinich, who is calling for the immediate withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq. Leading Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry says if he were elected president, he would send more troops to Iraq.  Also unlike Kerry, Kucinich would raise taxes for universal health care (search) and repeal the Patriot Act (search) and most trade agreements  "That's what we're asking Oregonians to do, to help wake up the Democratic Party. And the timing of it is really exquisite, because the timing is just when the platform is being developed all over the country," Kucinich said.  Kucinich said his main concern is not to win the nomination or even speak at the July convention, but to move the party and its platform to the left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squid Posted May 5, 2004 Share Posted May 5, 2004 There's not a single person in my acquaintance who is on the fence for the upcoming election. The people who will vote for Bush, will vote for Bush. The people who will vote against Bush will for Kerry. Â Aside from highly graphic photos of Kerry duct-taping lemmings, no amount of mud-slinging will induce the 'liberals' into voting for Bush. Likewise, short of Jesus coming down from On High and publicly embracing Kerry, I don't see any 'conservatives' voting for Kerry. Â Both parties should save their PAC money, invest in (fiscally) conservative bonds, and focus on the 2008 elections. Â That way I can enjoy my re-run sitcoms without being bothered by all this annoying political stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klenke Posted May 5, 2004 Share Posted May 5, 2004 "There's not a single person in my acquaintance who is on the fence for the upcoming election." Â Gee, thanks for making my mind up for me, Squid. What are acquaintances for! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted May 5, 2004 Share Posted May 5, 2004 (edited) There's not a single person in my acquaintance who is on the fence for the upcoming election. The people who will vote for Bush, will vote for Bush. The people who will vote against Bush will for Kerry.  I think you just made my point since you did not cite any of your aquaintances who would vote 'Kerry' because they like the man or his ideas. "Anyone But Bush", eh? What does that say about core beliefs?  I would also point out that I have many more "undecided" aquaintances than I do partisan. Maybe you should try to get out a bit more, Squid. Try to meet some folks outside of the greater Seattle/Portland areas? Edited May 5, 2004 by Fairweather Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted May 5, 2004 Share Posted May 5, 2004 Kerry-McCain thats like ketchup on frozen french fries right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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