scott_harpell Posted March 23, 2004 Posted March 23, 2004 Call me old fashioned, but I don't feel murdering non-combatants, women and children is anything but murder. That said, I do agree that Isreal must stay out of Gaza and the west bank as it is in direct conflict with the UN charter which prohibits the procurement of land through war.Who's right? Who's wrong? Neither. Both. Quote
sexual_chocolate Posted March 23, 2004 Posted March 23, 2004 Hey same goes for Israel. Look at the collateral damage from their assasinations. You think they don't kill "non-combatants, women and children"? And the US war in Iraq: 10,000 innocent "non-combatants, women and children"? 10,000! over three world trade centers, to make an awful comparison. It's awful, I know, but Hamas etal don't really have the technical ability to differentiate between targets; for them it's ISRAEL. Ugh this sucks. This whole argument seems so....ugh. I've gotta go climb now. Index! peace out y'all! Quote
willstrickland Posted March 23, 2004 Posted March 23, 2004 ...Hamas etal don't really have the technical ability to differentiate between targets; for them it's ISRAEL. This might be the most asinine thing I've read this month. Quote
lummox Posted March 23, 2004 Posted March 23, 2004 sure i am cynical. but maybe --just maybe-- there are dealings going on in which some hamas elements agreed to the assasination in order to get power themselves. Quote
glacier Posted March 23, 2004 Posted March 23, 2004 Remember, the only difference between a martyr and a suicide is good p.r. Quote
lummox Posted March 23, 2004 Posted March 23, 2004 Remember, the only difference between a martyr and a suicide is good p.r. i say it is better to just fuk with the lexicon. for example: i just left a martyr in the can that could choke a donkey. Quote
MrDoolittle Posted March 23, 2004 Author Posted March 23, 2004 Iraqi clerics are denouncing Monday's assasination, and muslims around the world see the U.S. as complicit in the act. They are swearing revenge. So much for global security. Quote
lummox Posted March 23, 2004 Posted March 23, 2004 Iraqi clerics are denouncing Monday's assasination, and muslims around the world see the U.S. as complicit in the act. They are swearing revenge. So much for global security. i declare jihad on you. bitch. Quote
Stonehead Posted March 23, 2004 Posted March 23, 2004 so, when the israelis were the underdog and the arabs AND the europeans wanted them off the planet, where was your voice then? There are good Israelis and bad Israelis. Did you know that when the state of Israel was founded in 1948, Prime Minister David Ben-Gurion announced no territorial boundaries? Today, Israel remains the only nation in the world without formally declared borders. -- source Not taking sides, just trying to show more of the inequity inherent in both sides. Quote
j_b Posted March 24, 2004 Posted March 24, 2004 interesting links stonehead the yassin assassination in context: http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/407592.html Quote
Dru Posted March 24, 2004 Posted March 24, 2004 The marchin' Martian smarter martyr was murdered in Mordor by a mortar attack, requiring more tar. Quote
sexual_chocolate Posted March 24, 2004 Posted March 24, 2004 That's ridiculous. There has never been spotted in Mordor a Martian. Plus, the technical capabilities weren't available for the creation of mortars, either; just ask iain. And furthermore, why would a martian be martyring him/herself? Quote
Rodchester Posted March 24, 2004 Posted March 24, 2004 "Do you think they used a US made helicopter and a US made missile to assassinate the guy?" Possibly, but Israel is very good at making thier own equipment and armaments. I hate Sharon......Fat Bastard. Quote
Fairweather Posted March 25, 2004 Posted March 25, 2004 Hamas is not interested in peace with Israel. The Hamas charter calls for the destruction of Israel. Hamas has killed not only innocent Israelis, but Palestinians willing to persue peace/compromise with the Israeli state. Hamas has sabotaged every attempt at a workable peace. They don't want 'just' the West Bank and Gaza, they want the whole of what is now Israel. How do you make peace with a group that wants you to just dieand is IN NO WAY interested in compromise? Answer...you don't. Sharon acted properly, and continues to do what he must to protect his citizens. If that upsets western europe, or the american left, too bad. BTW, let's not forget how/why Israel came to occupy the west bank (and Golan Heights). They were attacked by Jordan, Egypt, and Syria as I recall. Quote
klenke Posted March 25, 2004 Posted March 25, 2004 Here's irony of the worst kind for you: Hamas' new leader Dr. Abdel Aziz Rantisi is a pediatrician. Just today, the Israeli Army stopped a Palestinian 16-year-old boy with a bomb strapped to his chest. Heck, it's ironic enough that the new Hamas leader is a doctor, whose principles should be the sanctity and preservation of human life. But for him to also be a pediatrician takes the cake. Quote
sexual_chocolate Posted March 25, 2004 Posted March 25, 2004 Hamas is not interested in peace with Israel. The Hamas charter calls for the destruction of Israel. Hamas has killed not only innocent Israelis, but Palestinians willing to persue peace/compromise with the Israeli state. Hamas has sabotaged every attempt at a workable peace. They don't want 'just' the West Bank and Gaza, they want the whole of what is now Israel. How do you make peace with a group that wants you to just dieand is IN NO WAY interested in compromise? Answer...you don't. History doesn't support this view. Last summer, Hamas, Al Aqsa etal, agreed to a cease-fire; Israel also agreed, yet broke it in three weeks with an assasination. This is but one example. Quote
lummox Posted March 25, 2004 Posted March 25, 2004 Here's irony of the worst kind for you: Hamas' new leader Dr. Abdel Aziz Rantisi is a pediatrician. Just today, the Israeli Army stopped a Palestinian 16-year-old boy with a bomb strapped to his chest. Heck, it's ironic enough that the new Hamas leader is a doctor, whose principles should be the sanctity and preservation of human life. But for him to also be a pediatrician takes the cake. a turd is a turd. Quote
MrDoolittle Posted March 25, 2004 Author Posted March 25, 2004 I say we just melt the place into glass with atomics. 100% effective road to peace in the middle east. Better yet, we should INVADE palestine and remove Arafat, etc, from power. That should make everyone happy. Quote
lummox Posted March 25, 2004 Posted March 25, 2004 I say we just melt the place into glass with atomics. 100% effective road to peace in the middle east. Better yet, we should INVADE palestine and remove Arafat, etc, from power. That should make everyone happy. i think allah --blessed is the name-- would be pissed. afterall those 'atomics' sound scarewee. Quote
catbirdseat Posted March 25, 2004 Posted March 25, 2004 Here's irony of the worst kind for you: Hamas' new leader Dr. Abdel Aziz Rantisi is a pediatrician. Just today, the Israeli Army stopped a Palestinian 16-year-old boy with a bomb strapped to his chest. Heck, it's ironic enough that the new Hamas leader is a doctor, whose principles should be the sanctity and preservation of human life. But for him to also be a pediatrician takes the cake. Rantisi is the perfect definition for the word "monster". Quote
badvoodoo Posted March 25, 2004 Posted March 25, 2004 I say we just melt the place into glass with atomics. 100% effective road to peace in the middle east. This is actually my thinking as well. You can't decide who gets what? Then nobody gets it. You cannot reason with unreasonable people, so if they want to fight, they can fight over ownership of a smoking, irradiated crater. Quote
scrambler Posted March 26, 2004 Posted March 26, 2004 Here's irony of the worst kind for you: Hamas' new leader Dr. Abdel Aziz Rantisi is a pediatrician. Just today, the Israeli Army stopped a Palestinian 16-year-old boy with a bomb strapped to his chest. Heck, it's ironic enough that the new Hamas leader is a doctor, whose principles should be the sanctity and preservation of human life. But for him to also be a pediatrician takes the cake. I believe both sides have an Old Testament worldview--an eye for an eye. Viewed in that context, the Ten Commandments appear as tribal laws. Thou shalt not kill someone in one's own tribe; it's ok to kill those outside the social group. Thou shalt not steal but it's ok to steal from those outside your group, etc. Seems if you viewed things in this light then there is no conflict in his earlier profession and the role he currently holds. Neither side has that New Testament outlook rather they're stuck in fossilized ideologies. A contemporary solution would require religious reform because that's where I believe the extremism arises on both sides. Reform may be very difficult. The way I see it, hardliners on both sides are in league with each other, one justifies the presence of the other. Quote
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