mattp Posted October 23, 2003 Posted October 23, 2003 Warning: stay away from the hill when Fejas is there! Quote
Al_Pine Posted October 23, 2003 Posted October 23, 2003 I think a ski helmet is probably a pretty good idea for a beginner who's agressively learning,...like most kids. So I don't think it's only racers and cliff jumpers, but perhaps it could be widened to anyone who's testing their limits. Quote
mattp Posted October 23, 2003 Posted October 23, 2003 Lots of kids, whether in an official race or not, ski like a bat outta hell. I agree. Quote
Al_Pine Posted October 23, 2003 Posted October 23, 2003 ...that's true but also, I've seen lots of beginners get a lot out of control in a real hurry. Quote
iain Posted October 23, 2003 Posted October 23, 2003 that kid up on the Palmer at Timberline died of massive head trauma. I don't know if he was wearing a helmet. Quote
mattp Posted October 23, 2003 Posted October 23, 2003 Getting back to my point earlier about climbing helmets, I'll repeat what I've said before that I have had three friends suffer serious head injuries from leader falls, and such injuries are quite common, so it always amazes me to see so many climbers fail to use a helmet when leading. How about it, those of you who are advocating wearing a ski helmet - do you wear a helmet when rock climbing? If not, why? Is there perhaps some image or marketing component to our decision making here? Quote
marylou Posted October 23, 2003 Posted October 23, 2003 iain said: that kid up on the Palmer at Timberline died of massive head trauma. I don't know if he was wearing a helmet. Â Truth be told, I ski with a kid a lot these days, and I got the helmet to wear when we are skiing together. If the adults are all wearing them, then the kid will wear one without complaint. I bet I won't wear it otherwise. Quote
ChrisT Posted October 23, 2003 Posted October 23, 2003 having suffered a head injury myself I would say a helmet is a good idea for all activities - and daily living as well! Quote
cracked Posted October 23, 2003 Posted October 23, 2003 mattp said: Getting back to my point earlier about climbing helmets, I'll repeat what I've said before that I have had three friends suffer serious head injuries from leader falls, and such injuries are quite common, so it always amazes me to see so many climbers fail to use a helmet when leading. How about it, those of you who are advocating wearing a ski helmet - do you wear a helmet when rock climbing? If not, why? Is there perhaps some image or marketing component to our decision making here? I ALWAYS wear a helmet on rock, I've got friends, who, like ForrestM, got flipped upside down and hit their heads. Not cool. I don't have a ski helmet, cause I don't ski hard or fast (yet? I hope), but I'm considering getting one sometime. I like my head the way it is as of today. I don't want it to change anytime soon. Quote
lummox Posted October 23, 2003 Posted October 23, 2003 PaulB said: So I'm thinking I should get a helmet for this winter. What features should I look for and/or avoid? How warm are they? What makes a $200 helmet better than an $80 helmet if they both meet the same safety standards? do it. take your goggles with you when you try em on. way warm and dry and a gud idea when youre jibbin. Quote
iain Posted October 23, 2003 Posted October 23, 2003 yeah you can't beat a helmet if you are doing lift skiing in full conditions. sitting on the chairlift with the wind and blowing snow...that's where the helmet really pays off Quote
specialed Posted October 23, 2003 Posted October 23, 2003 Â My ski helmet has built in goggles. Quote
marylou Posted October 23, 2003 Posted October 23, 2003 So IM what you are saying is that helmets make really, really good hats? Quote
minx Posted October 23, 2003 Posted October 23, 2003 specialed said: Â My ski helmet has built in goggles. Â nice... Â and you can wear it to the catwalk on saturday nights too Quote
cracked Posted October 23, 2003 Posted October 23, 2003 minx said: specialed said: Â My ski helmet has built in goggles. Â nice... Â and you can wear it to the catwalk on saturday nights too Don't get snart now... Quote
specialed Posted October 23, 2003 Posted October 23, 2003 minx said: nice...  and you can wear it to the catwalk on saturday nights too  That's ALL I'm wearing to the catwalk on Saturday... Quote
sk Posted October 23, 2003 Posted October 23, 2003 specialed said: minx said: nice...  and you can wear it to the catwalk on saturday nights too  That's ALL I'm wearing to the catwalk on Saturday... Quote
cj001f Posted October 23, 2003 Posted October 23, 2003 ChrisT said: what about Sonny Bono? A helmet might have saved his life matt Doubtful. Skiing helmets are designed for impacts of less than 12mph. The AMA decided there was no cost benefit for required helmet usage - or designing helmets for higher impact. Helmets are pretty much standard for the Mt. Hood racecamps - and they didn't help with severe head trauma. Quote
forrest_m Posted October 23, 2003 Posted October 23, 2003 cj001f said: Doubtful. Skiing helmets are designed for impacts of less than 12mph. The AMA decided there was no cost benefit for required helmet usage - or designing helmets for higher impact. Â I'm not disputing your facts, it sounds like you've looked into this more than I have... but doesn't this seem a little strange? Just from a common sense perspective, compare that to a bicycle helmet, which is generally cut higher and weighs less, but would seem to be designed for similar sorts of impacts, i.e. being catapulted off the bike and hitting a curb or the street. Hard to believe that the ski helmet is only good to 12 mph... Quote
jon Posted October 23, 2003 Posted October 23, 2003 I rarely ski without my helmet. I don't give a shit if other people think I look stupid. I've been in some crashes where my head was ringing even with it on and I know without it I would have been much worse off. Â The most important thing is fit, price pretty much just determines how many vents you have. Quote
minx Posted October 23, 2003 Posted October 23, 2003 specialed said: minx said: nice...  and you can wear it to the catwalk on saturday nights too  That's ALL I'm wearing to the catwalk on Saturday...  perfect, be sure to stop and say hi, maybe i'll buy you a drink and touch your horns Quote
minx Posted October 23, 2003 Posted October 23, 2003 jon said: I rarely ski without my helmet. I don't give a shit if other people think I look stupid. I've been in some crashes where my head was ringing even with it on and I know without it I would have been much worse off. Â The most important thing is fit, price pretty much just determines how many vents you have. Â Â nothing wrong with that! when i was kid, we weren't allowed to ride our horses w/o wearing a helmet til we were 18. i thought i was so cool and it was so much cooler to ride in the summer sun w/o that i did. then when i was 19, in a silly accident i got feel and hit my head on a rock. received a severe concussion and still don't remember 30 min of my life. Â i was going far less than 12mph at the time. not that i wear one when i ski, i just don't see a damn thing wrong with it and certainly won't chastize someone for doing something safe. Quote
specialed Posted October 23, 2003 Posted October 23, 2003 minx said: specialed said: minx said: nice...  and you can wear it to the catwalk on saturday nights too  That's ALL I'm wearing to the catwalk on Saturday...  perfect, be sure to stop and say hi, maybe i'll buy you a drink and touch your horns   ...you mean my horn. Quote
b-rock Posted October 23, 2003 Posted October 23, 2003 yeah doesn't have to be a life threatening injury - my cousin kept falling down and getting concusions as a youngster. he's pretty dumb now. coincidence? Quote
boatskiclimbsail Posted October 23, 2003 Posted October 23, 2003 mattp said:Â For comparison, how many of those who are discussing ski helmets would consider wearing a helmet when crag climbing? Just curious. Â I don't understand this either, maybe it's because the crags I frequented while learning to climb had loose rock on them but I've been climbing long enough to be aware of some nasty accidents that have happened at "safe" sport climbing areas. My gunks partner decided to start climbing with a helmet when he took a 35' whipper that led to the ground brushing the hair on his head. I wear a bike helmet whenever I'm on the bike, a climbing helmet whenever I'm on a climb, a paddling helmet whenever I'm in the boat and a skiing helmet whenever I'm on skis. This is all my personal choice, to give up the convenience of an uncovered head for the marginal gain of a possible survival. Not that I understand it, but you will get no beef from me if you aren't wearing a helmet. I don't think it's unreasonable to expect that my head is my choice. My kids will certainly be wearing helmets when they start doing the dumb things I do Quote
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