carolyn Posted May 22, 2003 Share Posted May 22, 2003 Sorry if this has been covered before. Couldnt find anything on a search or going thru a zillion pages in this forum. Has anyone had problems with the durability of their scholler materials? I was about to purchase a pair of mtn hardware pants...perfect for warmer ice climbing days and cooler days on the rock. Someone stopped me though and said there have been a number of complaints recently (and things being returned at the store) because the material is ?piling? and strings of material are coming out (not at the seams). THis seems to have happened with some arcteryx jackets and BD pants. I get a good deal on them and I know I can return them. But I hate to waste the money up front. As well as it would be good to know how well scholler material has held up for others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthumbs Posted May 22, 2003 Share Posted May 22, 2003 Carolyn, I have a pair of Metolius scholler pants and they've pilled and half-melted on one ass-cheek where I got a little close to the fire one time. They're better'n a lot of shit, but I'm gradually working my way back to wool. For what it's worth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flatland Posted May 22, 2003 Share Posted May 22, 2003 (edited) I ice climbed in a pair of BD Alpine Pants 5 days a week for two years and then used them alot for alpine. I did notice piling and snagged threads, but I think that is was cosmetic mostly and never noticed impaired function. I sold them for $99 and got a new pair. I think that the material is the best available at this time, if you have the money. I have also used the Arc' Teryx Gamma LT Pullover and the BD Ice Glove (old nylon Ice Glove rotated better in leashes) extensively and noticed the same things. These are both Schoeller Dynamic fabric items. I have used items made with the Schoeller Extreme by Arc'Teryx and Cloudveil and noticed less snags, but equal pilling (not a problem). The Arc' Teryx items made with Powershield have never pilled nor snagged for me (but it is too warm for late spring/summer). I totally trust the fabric. If you have the money, buy it. Schoeller fabric is also much, much more resistant to tears from rock or crampons than other material. Edited May 22, 2003 by flatland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lambone Posted May 22, 2003 Share Posted May 22, 2003 (edited) Hi Carolyn, (oops, flatland beat me too it) There is more than one type of scholler fabric. Their "Dynamic" version is lighter weight and not as durable, but I haven't had any problems with it as of yet. REI and Black Diamond uses this in their scholler pants. The other type is "Powershield" (I think), and it is heavier, more durable, and more water resistant. Patagonia Guide pants are made out of this stuff. I think it is better, but it depends on what you want it for... I'd say that the Dynamic works fine in the summer and is cooler, and the Powershield stuff (if that is what it's called) is better in winter conditions. Either way, you can't go wrong. Edited May 22, 2003 by Lambone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted May 22, 2003 Share Posted May 22, 2003 "Powershield" is made by Malden Mills "Drynamic" and "Dryskin Extreme" are the two most common weights of Schoeller fabric, they make 5 or 6 but most are not available in North America. FWIW Arcteryx isnt using Schoeller anymore for ltwt pants, they're using "Tweave" or whatever its called. Dunno who makes it. I think its a Turkish company that's cheaper for same quality. You can fix pilling in Schoeller by running a lighter flame over the pills And avoid pilling in the first place by air/line/hangdrying it instead of using a dryer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthumbs Posted May 22, 2003 Share Posted May 22, 2003 Be damn careful with the lighter flame. I've overdone it in a few spots and the weave kind of melts together into a solid plastic mess. Better to hang dry like Mr. Sprayshaw advises. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carolyn Posted May 22, 2003 Author Share Posted May 22, 2003 Ya know, I just found these pants in the "thrifty" part of our store by chance (used, samples, etc). THey are dynamic. The patagucci powershield ones where WAAAAY too long...besides I like the stretch in the mtn hardware ones better. I really like the fit and adaptability of them. I guess for 55 bucks I cant go wrong. Wish I could remember the name of the pants. Anyway, I put them on hold for my next paycheck. I couldnt decide earlier today, so I spent my check on building my rack instead! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthumbs Posted May 22, 2003 Share Posted May 22, 2003 carolyn said: so I spent my check on building my rack instead! Sweet, and how are those hooters now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carolyn Posted May 22, 2003 Author Share Posted May 22, 2003 not heavy enough yet! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lambone Posted May 22, 2003 Share Posted May 22, 2003 (edited) "Powershield" is made by Malden Mills "Drynamic" and "Dryskin Extreme" are the two most common weights of Schoeller fabric, they make 5 or 6 but most are not available in North America. Thanks smartypants I bought some cheap REI Dynamic ones and have been pretty happy with them. I wear them on almost every climb...but first I had to cut the REI tag off so my partners wouldn't make fun of me... Edited May 22, 2003 by Lambone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted May 22, 2003 Share Posted May 22, 2003 DRYnamic, not DYnamic, people!!! Sheesh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jordop Posted May 22, 2003 Share Posted May 22, 2003 Dru said: DRYnamic, not DYnamic, people!!! Sheesh Sna? My BDV's are Dynamic, never heard of this hybrid beast, the drynamic One last time: Dryskin rox, my feratta gear is now on six seasons. DYnamic sux, burrs and pills whether you put it in the dryer or not. If you don't care about the hassles of warranty, buy a pair! Powershield=warmer equivalent of dryskin. Can we bury this fucker yet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flatland Posted May 22, 2003 Share Posted May 22, 2003 Dru said: DRYnamic, not DYnamic, people!!! Sheesh Drynamic and Dynamic are two different things. Drynamic is Dynamic with a special coating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fence_Sitter Posted May 22, 2003 Share Posted May 22, 2003 flatland said: Dru said: DRYnamic, not DYnamic, people!!! Sheesh Drynamic and Dynamic are two different things. Drynamic is Dynamic with a special coating. Sheesh! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sphinx Posted May 22, 2003 Share Posted May 22, 2003 I thought DRYnamic was a dead bird proprietary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allison Posted May 22, 2003 Share Posted May 22, 2003 Powershield has a fuzzy lining ion the inside. It feels nice next to the skin. The MEC Schoeller Dryskin jacket I got last year had some sizin in the fabric, one wash and it was a little softer. Still not the nicest thing next to the skin, but for 80 bucks US, it's a hell of a jacket in terms of performance and fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshK Posted May 22, 2003 Share Posted May 22, 2003 Yes, go non-brand name. It's the same fabric, and as long as they can sew, it'll be fine. The MEC stuff kicks ass. I also have their "Pamir" jacket, which is a powershield model. great for the winter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carolyn Posted May 22, 2003 Author Share Posted May 22, 2003 I cant find the pants on the internet for the life of me. At any rate, looking at the mtn hw site, it seems they use dYnamic schoeller for these pants. Hell, I buy 'em for 50-60 bucks, if I dont like 'em I will just sell 'em to someone. Thanks for the feedback. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted May 22, 2003 Share Posted May 22, 2003 flatland said: Dru said: DRYnamic, not DYnamic, people!!! Sheesh Drynamic and Dynamic are two different things. Drynamic is Dynamic with a special coating. ya, Dynamic is trash, get Drynamic, which is what all the plabfolks wear. the coating protects against pilling and also works like APR* in the Whistler bars *Automatic Panty Remover Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill_Simpkins Posted May 22, 2003 Share Posted May 22, 2003 I have Patagonia Guide Pants. I wash them by hand in mild soap and hang dry them. I use them a lot. They are still like new. Wash all of your climbing clothes by hand and hang dry them, they will last longer, except throw the gortex in the drier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbw1966 Posted May 22, 2003 Share Posted May 22, 2003 I have some Mammut schoeller pants and a BD schoeller shirt. They both take a lot of abuse--the shirt more than the pants. No pilling, no tears and I wash them like I do all my other clothes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt_m Posted May 22, 2003 Share Posted May 22, 2003 Break Down Schoeller makes Dynamic, Dryskin Dryskin Extreme 3x Malden Mills : Powershield (both Reg and new Lighter Weight Vers) There's also EPIC by Nextec - get to that in a sec Arctery'x Gamma LT stuff used to use the Schoeller Dynamic (I have the pants and they're great for warmer weather) Their new MX line uses the lighter version of the Powershield REI Uses the heavier Powershield in their "One" JKT and the Shoeller Dynamic in the the Mistral stuff. Cloudveil, Mammut and Marmot use the Dryskin Extreme 3x in various products Ice Floe, Serendipty Jkts, Champ Pants, ATV Jkt Champ Pants rock for most conditions and are ergonomically cut to boot. Patagonia uses a proprietary Powershield for their Core Skin seires (checkered fleece inside ala R. series instead of straight fleece) Their Guide pants and Dimension Jkt both used a version of EPIC fabric. Schoeller fabrics are a "weave" style soft shell. They tend to be more breathable and flexible than powershield. Powershield (both thicknesses) is a laminate. The outer layer is the stretchy DWR coated part laminated to fleece inner section. These tend to be more weather and abrasion resistant but sacrifice some breathability and stretch for it. EPIC is an encapsulation process in which individual fibers are coated in a "rubber" before being woven together. Falls somewhere between the other two in functionality. I have and have used all three and found they fit different uses well. Champ pants (Dryskin Extreme 3x) and Dimension Jkt (EPIC 7oz) are my faves There are new ones out there like Trango by GORE but haven't had a chance to test those yet... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David_Parker Posted May 22, 2003 Share Posted May 22, 2003 carolyn said: Sorry if this has been covered before. Couldnt find anything on a search or going thru a zillion pages in this forum. Probably didn't find any thing because its spelled SCHOELLER! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carolyn Posted May 22, 2003 Author Share Posted May 22, 2003 David_Parker said: carolyn said: Sorry if this has been covered before. Couldnt find anything on a search or going thru a zillion pages in this forum. Probably didn't find any thing because its spelled SCHOELLER! awww geeeeeeeeeez! Ya know I spelled it every which way and backwards while searching and looking thru posts. After doing this with a few moose drools in hand I didnt think it would matter how I spelled it in the post. Youre all a smart crew of folks. Figured you would know what I meant. Thanks again all for your immediate feedback. Thats what I love about this site! cheers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExtremoMtDude Posted May 23, 2003 Share Posted May 23, 2003 scholler is the only way to go, most of my gear is made of it, lemme find a pic... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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