specialed Posted December 14, 2001 Share Posted December 14, 2001 Tricams rock for putting in right off the belay when you don't want to waste a cam and have a good enough stance to mess around with it for a while. Also good for belay anchors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted December 14, 2001 Share Posted December 14, 2001 actually when i did ne. face of redoubt via the rock finish our rack was 6 pins and 8 tri-cams. that kicked ass! who needs cams, wire nuts and hexes anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DPS Posted December 14, 2001 Share Posted December 14, 2001 Black Diamond Shrike ice tools. I bought these to replace an old pair of CMs. The weight is not concentrated in the head so they lack 'punch' for waterfalls, the head is incredibly uncomfortable to grap in cane mode, the adze is ridiculously small and has a stupid shape, the rubber grip is easily damaged and the picks are not as durable as CMs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willstrickland Posted December 14, 2001 Share Posted December 14, 2001 quote: Originally posted by wdietsch: I'll be sure to wear it just for you at the next Portland Pub Club gathering. A couple of TG's barley wines and I'll put it up in "wing-nut" mode for a table dance SWEET! Maybe a tablemoondance. "Boogie wingnut! Get down!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erik Posted December 14, 2001 Share Posted December 14, 2001 after putting some thought to it, i think the biggest piece of crap in all the outdoor industry would have to be nalgene water bottles. seriously who in the world would pat $6 for a water bottle that leaks and they do break. plus like 500 other reason why not to buy them. go buy a quart of gatorade and use that bottle. $1.59 plus you get a free drink and who cares what happens to it when you lose it or what. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt.Caveman Posted December 14, 2001 Share Posted December 14, 2001 quote: Originally posted by erik: after putting some thought to it, i think the biggest piece of crap in all the outdoor industry would have to be nalgene water bottles. seriously who in the world would pat $6 for a water bottle that leaks and they do break. plus like 500 other reason why not to buy them.go buy a quart of gatorade and use that bottle. $1.59 plus you get a free drink and who cares what happens to it when you lose it or what. I am a gatorade bottle fan too. Just watch out if you drop them just right the lid breaks easily. Other than that they work sweeto! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottP Posted December 14, 2001 Share Posted December 14, 2001 quote: Originally posted by erik: go buy a quart of gatorade and use that bottle. $1.59 plus you get a free drink and who cares what happens to it when you lose it or what. I wrap them with duct tape (including a dead sling for clipping into belays) to beef them up some. They last for years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted December 14, 2001 Share Posted December 14, 2001 if you pour boiling water into gatorade bottles you can melt them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt.Caveman Posted December 14, 2001 Share Posted December 14, 2001 quote: Originally posted by Dru: if you pour boiling water into gatorade bottles you can melt them. If water gets hot enough it can melt nalgene too......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erik Posted December 14, 2001 Share Posted December 14, 2001 quote: Originally posted by Dru: if you pour boiling water into gatorade bottles you can melt them. thats why i drink out of the pan and yes i let it cool first. gives oyu a chance to pack your gear and shove down some crappy bars Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted December 14, 2001 Share Posted December 14, 2001 i pour boilage in my lexan nalgene then put it in an OR WATER BOTTLE PARKA and that way it is still liquid when i go to drink it 3 pitches up Riptide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DPS Posted December 14, 2001 Share Posted December 14, 2001 In practical terms water will never get hot enough to melt the high density polyethylene Nalgene bottles. Water boils at 100 C at sea level. Sure you can superheat water under pressure, but how one does that while out climbing is beyond me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philfort Posted December 14, 2001 Share Posted December 14, 2001 quote: Originally posted by Cpt.Caveman: If water gets hot enough it can melt nalgene too......... I've never had problems pouring boiling water in my lexan nalgene. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philfort Posted December 15, 2001 Share Posted December 15, 2001 quote: Originally posted by erik: after putting some thought to it, i think the biggest piece of crap in all the outdoor industry would have to be nalgene water bottles. seriously who in the world would pat $6 for a water bottle that leaks and they do break. plus like 500 other reason why not to buy them. With the defense of Nalgenes! I never destroyed one, I never had an escape, I never had a rupture. AND they come now in various colors, thus you can differentiate the bottle from wee of the bottle of water! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted December 15, 2001 Share Posted December 15, 2001 I found if you put a skull and crossbones on your waterbottle you never have to share water with anyone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wdietsch Posted December 15, 2001 Share Posted December 15, 2001 Nalgene bottles... like most petroleum based products over time and exposure to UV rays will deteriorate.. On a winter climb several years ago air temp around 10F I tapped the bottle with the back side of my hand to knock the ice loose on the inside and put my knuckle thru the @#$%&* thing [ 12-14-2001: Message edited by: wdietsch ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erik Posted December 15, 2001 Share Posted December 15, 2001 well cool guys then i got some real sweet gear to sell you. bd cams $145, i know it is a little higher then what is reasonable, but if you guys buy $6 plastic bottles then you got no problem affording them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philfort Posted December 15, 2001 Share Posted December 15, 2001 quote: Originally posted by wdietsch: Nalgene bottles... like most petroleum based products over time and exposure to UV rays will deteriorate.. On a winter climb several years ago air temp around 10F I tapped the bottle with the back side of my hand to knock the ice loose on the inside and put my knuckle thru the @#$%&* thing[ 12-14-2001: Message edited by: wdietsch ] You must be old skool! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted December 15, 2001 Share Posted December 15, 2001 you could always go euro and carry water around in a metal SIGG fuel-type bottle. only weighs about as much as the water inside it. but you don't get the leachate of endocrine disruptor chemicals from the soft plastic into the water... : Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted December 15, 2001 Share Posted December 15, 2001 the water bottle is a hot topic... this thread is destined to be the next "muir on saturday"... gatorade bottle sucks!gatorade bottle sucks!gatorade bottle sucks!gatorade bottle sucks!gatorade bottle sucks!gatorade bottle sucks!gatorade bottle sucks!gatorade bottle sucks!gatorade bottle sucks!gatorade bottle sucks!gatorade bottle sucks!gatorade bottle sucks!gatorade bottle sucks!gatorade bottle sucks!gatorade bottle sucks!gatorade bottle sucks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willstrickland Posted December 15, 2001 Share Posted December 15, 2001 Re: Nalgene Lexan will not deform in boiling water, the hdpe will, to the point that I was using one for a hot water bottle in the bag, and left zipper indentations in the bottle, probably wouldn't have taken much to punch right through it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cairns Posted December 15, 2001 Share Posted December 15, 2001 quote: Originally posted by Dr.E: Come to think of it, I have a batch of booty beaners that are worthless but I can't make myself throw away. I wouldnt trust them to rap off, who knows their history? Been meaning to alert climbing public to Bonatti blue gate left at some rap point on Burgundy Spire this September by Slovenian friend who borrowed it from me. Said artifact was purchased '68 from Charlie's in Boston (MA) back when you could still spit across the EMS showroom down the street. Best piece of gear I owned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wdietsch Posted December 15, 2001 Share Posted December 15, 2001 philfort, As far as being "old skool" I'am probally somewhere around 3) webbing swamis and Terrordactyls. 4) White canvas painters pants and whillans harnesses i never owned a pair of stripped socks smokem' if you got'em, Dan Larson sucks........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishstick Posted December 15, 2001 Share Posted December 15, 2001 Worst gear owned: Black Diamond Mixed Master pack- webbing slipped through buckles, shoulder straps and hip belt delaminated, seams blew apart. A perfect example of why Serratus and Arc'teryx works. Dromedary water bladder- drip, drip, drip… Black Diamond VBL socks- big seams, a toggle that needed to be cut off, and they delaminated after 11 days. Glad kitchen catchers last for 7, cost about 1% as much and proved to be more comfortable. GB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeyboy Posted December 15, 2001 Share Posted December 15, 2001 My 2 cents. Nalgene bottles may cost 6 bucks but I'll take one over a Gatoraide bottle as a deadman anchor any day! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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