AlpineK Posted January 28, 2003 Share Posted January 28, 2003 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iain Posted January 28, 2003 Share Posted January 28, 2003 "daddy-won't-pay" sounds like she's already under political "indoctrination". Â and "to be fair" I went to Macalester College, alma mater of that "whining liberal" Kofi Annan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg_W Posted January 28, 2003 Share Posted January 28, 2003 1. Keep bombing them whenever they try and get too uppity 2. Keep up the embargo and hire hollywood directors to depict a bumbling and idiotic depiction of Saddam.  3. We need to get along with our friends. We are big and bad and our army kicks ass, but we still need to get along with other countries.  4. I feel sorry for the average Iraqi, but I don't think we can do much for them.  5. Saddam is a prick. I'm sure he wants and trys to get nasty stuff, and I bet he has some, but you need a real reason to start a war. (The Gulf War was OK by me)  6. See above. I'm OK with our war in Afganistan and WWI and WW2.  I, coming from a different end of the political spectrum from AlpineK, agree with what he says here. Well written, AK.  Greg W Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted January 28, 2003 Share Posted January 28, 2003 "daddy-won't-pay" sounds like she's already under political "indoctrination". Â and "to be fair" I went to Macalester College, alma mater of that "whining liberal" Kofi Annan. Â Iain, Â Last time I checked, indoctrination/passing along your values political and otherwise, was a parental purview. Do you share at least some of the values instilled by your parents? Or were those values erased/displaced during your tenure at Macalaster College? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattp Posted January 28, 2003 Share Posted January 28, 2003 Fairweather - You asked Iain. But I will say that I agree: you have a duty as a parent to try to instill proper values. You also have a duty to allow your daughter to grow up. Does she want to go to Evergreen or Berkeley, some other "liberal" institution? I'm sure you realize this, but if you try to prevent her from exploring the world of liberal politics you will only make it that much more attractive to her. I believe that when kids hit age 25 or 30, they generally tend to revert to their parents' world view even if they dallied in some other perspective. I'm not a parent nor am I any kind of expert in parenting, but my guess is that you're better off supporting her at this stage of the game. If you feel that Evergreen (or any other situation she may embrace) is truly dangerous, you have no choice but to intervene in her choices. But if not, let her grow up. -Matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted January 28, 2003 Share Posted January 28, 2003 I hope your daughter rebels and makes your life a living hell for the next 10 years, and then she gets settled down with a good life with solid liberal political views. Â I can only hope that you take a long leader fall onto a BD Bod harness that damages your already small testicles so badly you are unable to hurl your liberal spawn upon this great nation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iain Posted January 28, 2003 Share Posted January 28, 2003 This over-the-top concept of college brainwashing is amusing. Of course I share values with my parents, and they had a firm grip on me when I was a kid. However, political clout through financial embargo was not one of those values, so perhaps I can't relate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted January 28, 2003 Share Posted January 28, 2003 Mattp  She hasn't even considered Evergreen. I was only using that institution to illustrate my point. Your reply is well taken though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
To_The_Top Posted January 28, 2003 Share Posted January 28, 2003 1. Keep bombing them whenever they try and get too uppity 2. Keep up the embargo and hire hollywood directors to depict a bumbling and idiotic depiction of Saddam.  3. We need to get along with our friends. We are big and bad and our army kicks ass, but we still need to get along with other countries.  4. I feel sorry for the average Iraqi, but I don't think we can do much for them.  5. Saddam is a prick. I'm sure he wants and trys to get nasty stuff, and I bet he has some, but you need a real reason to start a war. (The Gulf War was OK by me)  6. See above. I'm OK with our war in Afganistan and WWI and WW2.  I, coming from a different end of the political spectrum from AlpineK, agree with what he says here. Well written, AK.  Greg W Shit, I for once agree with both AK and Greg at the same time . Like Greg said well written. From the latest NY Times poll most Americans agree with this (is this still considered unpatiotic? I mean instigating a premtive stike, that can cast the mold for others to do so if they see fit in the future??) TTT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattp Posted January 28, 2003 Share Posted January 28, 2003 Fairweather: what gives? You and I have been in some measure of agreement (however small) both here and in the "access" thread? Next I'll be expressing approval of your Mount Olympus photo's. Rock on, dude. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted January 28, 2003 Share Posted January 28, 2003 This over-the-top concept of college brainwashing is amusing. Of course I share values with my parents, and they had a firm grip on me when I was a kid. However, political clout through financial embargo was not one of those values, so perhaps I can't relate. Â Iain, Â Don't you believe in "voting with your pocketbook"? Why would I pay for my son or daughter to attend a college that condones, or attempts to instill a doctrine with which I disagree? Â I can tolerate, and even admire well thought out rebellion from my children! But not when it has been hammered into them by a left wing teacher/professor. Â Like I said before, education...not indoctrination. Â Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattp Posted January 28, 2003 Share Posted January 28, 2003 Now Bill is in the act. Time for a GROUP HUG!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted January 28, 2003 Share Posted January 28, 2003 Mattp, Â I still remember your Mount Washington E Face TR. It was great! And its on my short list. Â Some common ground is always good. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattp Posted January 28, 2003 Share Posted January 28, 2003 Fairweather - Indeed, we share a great deal of common ground. That is why we are able to interact here, on this site. But go for the "East Face" and we'll see if you agree. If it doesn't work out, you'll come back cursing my god damned liberal campaign of misinformation, no? (Just kidding.) -Matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
To_The_Top Posted January 28, 2003 Share Posted January 28, 2003 Now Bill is in the act. Time for a GROUP HUG!!!!! cant we all get along? Oh wait this is spray. no hugs for you mattp, just: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwayner Posted January 28, 2003 Share Posted January 28, 2003 Here's what Frank Zappa had to say about of hippies, both old and new:  Turn turn,Turn, turn We're turning again Turn, turnTurn, turn We're turning again  They took a whole bunch of acid So they could see where it's at (It's over there, over there, Over there, over there And under here also) Doont, da-doodem doodem! They lived on a whole bunch of nothing They thought they looked very good They'd never ever worry They were always in a hurry To convince themselves that what they were Was really very groovy Yes, they believed in all the papers And the magazines that defined their folklore They could never laugh At who or what they thought they were Or even what they thought They sorta oughta be They were totally empty (Totally empty) And their lives were really useless So what the f*%k? They didn't have no sense of humor (Oodly-oodly-yeah!) Now they got nothing left To laugh about Including themselves  Turn, turn,Turn, turn We're turning again Turn, turn,Turn, turn We're turning again  Bprr . . . bprr . . . the year 1967 Drug-crazed youth discovered vagrancy as a way of life EWW-WW! Dey were mellow Dey were yellow Dey were wearing smelly blankets Dey looked like DONOVAN fans (HU-UR-DE-EE GU-UR-DE-EE) Dey walkin' 'round With stupid flowers In dey hair an' evvywhere Dey tried to stuff 'em up de guns Of all the cops and other servants of the law (LA LA-LA-LA LA-LA) Who tried to push 'em around And later moved 'em down But they were full of all that shit That they believed in (PHEW!) So what the f*%k? (WHAT THE F*%K?) Now I seen 'em tightenin' up dey headbands On the weekend and dey get loaded When dey came to town Dey walk around in GREEMICH VILLAGE To buy posters dey could hang up In dem smelly little secret Black light bedrooms On LONN-ISLAND Singin': "JIMI COME BACK!" Now come back and regulate de boy's FURZ-tone Yo' HAZE was so PURPLE It caused your AXIS to be BOLD AS LOVE (JIMI-JIMI-JIMI-JIMI-JIMI FEED BACK) Now Jimi gimme some feedback Come back and feed back on my knapsack You can feed back the fuzz tone from your WAH-WAH While you bend down And set your stuff on FIRE  Turn, turn,Turn, turn We're turning again Turn, turn,Turn, turn We're turning again  We can turn it around We can do it again We can go back in time Through the canyons of your mind On the EVE O' DESTRUCTION We can act like we are something really special WOOOH, we'll just jump in the bath-tub With that other guy JIM And make him be more careful We can visit Big Mama And whap her on the back When she eats her sandwich (LA LA LA LA) We can take care of Janis When she gets so depressed She can't take it no more We can laugh at Keith Moon's jokes (HA HA HA HA HA) And the colour TV (HA HA) He threw out de windum Fum de second flew-ah! (YEAAHHHHHH!) Everybody come back No one can do it like you used to If you listen to the radio And what they play today You can tell right away: All those assholes really need you!  Turn turn Turn turn We're turning again Turn turn Turn turn We're turning again  Turn, turn,Turn, turn We're turning again Turn, turn, Turn, turn We're turning again    Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisT Posted January 28, 2003 Share Posted January 28, 2003 coming in a little late here...but...I tried to get my son interested in Evergreen. I LOVE that place. But it's a little too rustic for him. He's more of the urban-Berkeley type which is ok...except UCB is BIG...over 40,000 students compared to the 3000 or so at Evergreen. ah well he still has a few years to decide. BTW I think Evergreen is a steal at 12K a year (includes room and board) (As an aside he's currently attending Evergreen H.S. ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisT Posted January 28, 2003 Share Posted January 28, 2003 oh and Evergreen is the alma mater of Matt Groening and Lynda Barry! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_b Posted January 28, 2003 Share Posted January 28, 2003 Here's what Frank Zappa had to say about of hippies  so hippies would be stupid to have identified with the ideals of Donovan, Joplin and Hendrix but we'd be smart to heed Zappa's words? Is he some kind of bastion of thoughts in the western world or something? I did not think so.  You are going to make a grumpy old fart some day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattp Posted January 28, 2003 Share Posted January 28, 2003 J_B Zappa was THE MAN. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_b Posted January 28, 2003 Share Posted January 28, 2003 don't get me wrong, I always liked his music and I own many of his albums. But he always struck me as a cynical bastard that clearly did not contribute much to further the youth movement that he rode on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snoboy Posted January 28, 2003 Share Posted January 28, 2003 oh and Evergreen is the alma mater of Matt Groening and Lynda Barry! Â If that's the truth, then I think everyone should have to go there! Â Milton is so#1!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattp Posted January 28, 2003 Share Posted January 28, 2003 J_B- I guess I never thought it was a rock star's duty to further the "youth" movement. Yes, Janice and Jimmi espoused support for the right (leftward) view of the world, but I always liked the "Frankness" of the darker side of things. Maybe I'm just a cynicial bastard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cracked Posted January 28, 2003 Share Posted January 28, 2003 Much of the "bright" music, modern and not, is all bullshit, IMHO. I agree with mattp, the "darker side" is much more honest. Hey, what's wrong with being cynical? Ian Curtis was, and he turned out alright. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_b Posted January 28, 2003 Share Posted January 28, 2003 If one agrees that Zappa would not have been too successful w/o the youth movement of the 60's and 70's, it seems only fair to think he'd be interested in furthering the spirit that made the youth of the time like him: the irreverence toward institutions, etc ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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