erik

i heard that mikey had you on his back cause you were tired of hiking, and your espresso machine fell out of your pack and torked his wrist! bastard now who i am going to climb hard with!

hey, chug! good to hear you are alive. i just broke into your house and stole all your gear! you know us tacoma-toses are! good to hear you are living it up. stay drunk and don't get real!

the only booty i hunt for, i won't bring to the crag. and no one can borrow it, either! too many distractions! yummy!

i thought scooby snacks made one want dinner, more?! then agian dog is pretty good, real lean, i recommend a nice orange glaze, with some frsh mtn huckleberries to garnish. also rice pilaif goes good with dog as well.

what is that a woman. i can also fix your cam for free if you buy me some beer. by the way my mom plays the banjo for the symphony maybe i can get you a dumpster near the street corner. i am sure that there will be plenty of "stuff" you can use in the dumpster as well.

don't forget to feed the sherpa dogs, their scooby snacks!

another thing: tacoma rocks! i have a view of mt rainier and pay no rent. i don't care if you are rich, poor, white, black, asian, hispanic, gay, straight, a mtneer, a wac, a free spirited trustafarian, vegan, dmeocrat, republican, homey, square or what. no ones personal income is even important to me (unless you want to give it to me. ) so no matter what if you lose your climbing gear, your old lady or the what not and i find it i am going to give it to an unfortunate bro, who needs it.

w- anomomyous it is pure sarcasm...just as pure as uncut colombian cocaine. erik- not anomomyous everyone can chill out. cause i got my own gear. and unless i find new offset aliens or a couple of big bros i ain't interested. [This message has been edited by erik (edited 05-08-2001).]

thanks cavey! i never said that i go around looking for gear or the what not, i am just stating the obvious. i don't even give a shit about someone else leaving their gear. i am relating what i have learned/experienced. i will always hold true to what i posted above. and i will debate with you about the stealing thing. it might be morally wrong to hold on to someones lost/stuck/forgotten, but not leagally, unless you aquired it while commting an illeagal act.

when i was starting out i left a stopper of my friends at the base of a climb. and the verbal and mental abuse that followed was enough for me to never make that mistake again. (knock on wood!) if you can't keep track of your rope! you better be checking buddies knots and belay configuration. or maybe slow down on the herbal consumption, cause a rope is hard to miss. hopefully everyone can learn from mr nwdiver's friends mistake.

sorry zeno, i had too.

i replaced the bolts last year

you leave gear = you lose gear! you bail with gear = you lose gear! you drop gear = you lose gear!

not sure how everyone figures that a self taught climber is dangerous or ill equipped to deal witht he rigors of climbing. all of my tight friends/partners are self taught we all taught each other. then again we have never stopped leaning the art of rock craft. as self taught climbers, we have 1st ascent in alaska, many, many walls, .12 sport and .11 trad and hard ice. we are alos self taught kayakers, skiers and any other sport you could want to try. some poeple have the desire and not the money. i think fred said that he had heard customers of a mtneering school whining about the climb. that just shows the different motivation levels and the different types of deisre to climb and to climb for fun. i think the biggest thing that people lose about climbing is the fun. i can illustrate this through yesterday. we climbed at little si in the earlier part of the day, most of the people we met at the crag, had some sort of attitude or chip on the thier shoulder. overall they were not forthcoming friendly. some even seemed not to want ot be there!? in the afternoon we went and ran mt si. every person we met on the trail said "hi" and they all seemed to be enjoying what they were doing. where is the fun! regardless i don't really care where the mtneers are. if you don't like them sack it up and move off the easier routes where it is obvious where the mtneers practice their skills. so in the end. self taught climbers can be safe and climb hard. and mtneers have the right to climb as well. (truthfully it is not a right but a privlage, but never mind that) so just go have FUN! i also hope that whom ever was injured is okay. [This message has been edited by erik (edited 05-08-2001).]

good to hear you got shafted from the mtneers. i go climbing about 4 days a week with various partners. you are always welcome along when we are out cragging. i find that it is a better way to see if you want to climb with certain people. i know that you are a beginner, so personally i would be careful with who teaches you. there are many different styles and ethics to learn you just have to choose which ones you see yourself flourish within. i would try and learn basics before you go to the mtns, so you can have a much more enjoyable time. myself and most of my close partners are all self taught, so if you feel motivated enough that might be an option.

zeno, i would recommend that you try to go through a second party to attempt your warranty issue. most companies will not deal with a private party. i reccomend pro ski service out of north bend. those guys can do about anything to a pair of planks. they might even be able to fix it if the warranty issue is not resolved. you can also write atomic and plead your case. over the years i have had some similar things happen to me. if you can circumnavigate thier warranty nazi, you usually have a better chance for satifaction. companies are more likely to investigate something like this if you can explain in detail your situation. and maybe even exaggerate your situation if need be or try buttering them up with a sixer of deschutess' finest stout. good luck!

tim if you want the hooded sweatshirt and big sunglasses, i got them. they came free with the official "destroy society club" that ted sent to me in the mail. it only cost me an arm and a leg.

poof!

dru, i am plannig a fact finding mission to your neck of the woods. this picture is qwuite disturbing to me. what species of plant id this? is it native to your areas and are scary and hairy canadians like that guarding the species. if so what equipment do i need to bring? please fill me in as i need to set up my plan of <cough> attack! over and out

zenolith, harsh dude! i might have said it before and will always stick to it. you can ask anyone who actually knows me, i strongly believe in what my danish grand mother said. "alwyas ask questions, but a dumb question will get a dumb answer." i understand you might be new or just learning the ropes of this ever progressing(!?$#$^&) sport. so don't take anything personal, especially over the internet. you have to reliaze that porno sites are the most active on the entire world wide web, so me making a smart ass comment is about as innocent as baby kitten. and not leather clad. feel free to take jabs at me or anyhitng else you may want to do. cause in the long run, unless you are my mom or my girlfriend any negative comment will be logged into the free-for-all catagory in my head. as i said before to you, if you want to go climbing with me and learn how to be the best human possible i am offering lessons in life little secrets for FREE! take it easy dude! and don't work too hard.

i've done the one sleeping bag, one bivi sack thing. as far as weight goes it rocks, as far as comfort or actually getting any sleep it sucks. i would imagine that any type of bag system that you would share with your bro would have similar discomforts. plus now one is stuck with carrying a huge sleeping bag. one bag, one bivi would be lighter and not weigh you do as much, so as to slow your pace and force a bivi. but as you mentioned a double is nice with the ladies

i think the t-1 in his cave broke, something about streaming porno over heated his digiboob. maybe it was his wrist and he can't click the mouse, i don't remember. hilltop is foggy today.

tim, how about this. i get contracted out by insurance companies to do various things. bury bodies, write damage estimate, tell people to get screwed and the what not. i have had my life threated by irrate hicks when their insurance fraud is discovered, people will leave voice mails with no names and just start swearing at me. my mother has been insulted....blah...blah....blah..... you think your cushy free soda pop drinkin sucks, lets trade. granted i only work part time and make my schedule, but these were my desicions after i got to the boiling point last spring. i had to go yosemite for months of rehab. a strict diet of controlled substances, seasonal employees and good old fashioned rock climbing only partially returned me to my semi normal self. i still need work and will only be healed once i can escape from the horrendousness of the real world. if any one want to give their money to me (opposed to some namless organization, that will use it to fly their lear jet back and forth between reality and washington dc) feel free to email me and we can work out the money aragngements. and sorry dru canadian money does not work. even in video games. take it easy and le the bitchin' start!

oh my gosh! wow, i am really flattered! thank you so much, if elected i will try my hardest to keep the bullshit thick and stinky. no comment, statement or posting will be safe from the terror of sarcasm, elitism or just good ole' fashioned shit talking. i also wanted to state that my history is tainted. i have had torrid and drunkin affairs, made rude comments to elderly people and missed my mother's birthday last year(thank you sun ribbon arete!) my statement to my closest competitor, that cave guy. go screw yourself old man and bring it on! rude-mond ain't got shit over t-town and you know it. hilltops finest is in the air! and my full legal name is: erik jon augustus montani jack daniels stupid dumbshit son-of-a-#@!$!*) snyder the XXIV.

forrest, thanks for working soo much last month. i guess the world really works in check and balance, since i worked less than 100 hours last month. let me know when you want to trade. though i will be expecting you salary and you can have mine. my $.02, seriously that is what it is. p.s. i hope that your boss, bought all the plastic beer.