erik

quote: Originally posted by allison: [QBYou sure about that? Last weekend's KTK crew was 50/50 boys to girls and at least half in attendance were 35 or older..... [/QB] maybe associate members and trainees in waiting, cause there only be 6 official ktk members............

this is not democracy, just me having the ability to control thinfgs.....har har har!!! one vote and no avatars....unless it sways the opinion at the last momment.... also no voting unless you actually attend....

quote: Originally posted by freeclimb9: Check out the consequence of prolonged sleep deprivation: "Prolonged sleeplessness weakens immune function. Animals tortured in sleep-deprivation experiments eventually die from massive bacterial infections of the blood..." And I thought the hallucinations were bad enough. I've got some Teton traverse goals for the summer. And in the Winds. And in the Sierras. Anyone up for torture and risk of blood infection? torture!!! last time i heard the words hallucinations and infection in the same paragraph, i woke up 4 daze later without any clothes and syurup all over the house!!!! cant remember what happend, but hopefully it was fun!!!! careful with this one guys.........have fun!!

by pope's demand...........

also the wta thing is another way the deforrest service manipulates you into beliving that you make a difference. so we will let you have a free pass, and by the way every issued nw trail pass counts as a yes vote wheter you paid for it or not........

fish and wildlife tickets isssued at vantage and the tieton are state of washington issues... the nw deforrest pass is a federal issue... two seperate things...i keep reading here like oyu all think they are the same.....they are not.... fuck them both...... ill pay for vantage when there is a toilet and some actually washington state funded projects there....a gavel lot which has been there for years, does not seem like a very much of an improvment over the original gravel lot..... ill pay for the use of deforrest service land, when they pry the money from my dead hand... get it straight yo's!!!!!!!

im up on all the bs bolting issues, but you two take it to a new level of something!?!?!?! one of you must have slept with the others sister and is still bitter....................

quote: Originally posted by chucK: Erik an' Ed goin' to Index tomorrow? Shouldn't you guys be headed to Squamish or someplace else? I heard Index is gonna be wet and crowded tomorrow. That's what I heard. SECRET LOCATION ACTUALLY.... THE FEDERAL GOVT HAS SWORN US TO SECRACY ABOUT THE LOCATION UNTIL ALL FEE STATIONS HAVE BEEN PUT INTO PLACE AND THE GRIDING IS COMPLETE .. .. .. .. .. .. WELCOME: TO BOLTY LAND!!!!

quote: Originally posted by Raustin: Is the lower town wall dry? Please say yes!! no, the lower town wall only gets dry after about 3-4 weeks of warm dry weather.... i say head over to exit 38 and get your craggin in there.... have fun and be safe

quote: Originally posted by Ade: Is the road upto the Stuart Lake trailhead drivable and open (I know they're closing it later in the summer). the deforest service will not open the road until all the snow melts off of it and dries out...this road has slope stability issues..... i imagine there will be a only a short window for poeople who are unwilliing to hike the road to access thar area this year.... have fun and be safe and refuse the deforrest service

fun route..... couple years ago on my bday....i fell out of the ow and hit the ledge below......yowerzers!!!! z crack is some good crankin too!!!! also the sport route on the left side of the formation with those giant heucos is fun....you can crawl inside those things are party!!!

AAAAHHHH I C NOW!! HAVE FUN LADIES!!

quote: Originally posted by sk: [/qb] Too bad erik I hear you all have a rippin' time, and that you are quite the crack climber. I believe we have a mutual friend... [/QB]

quote: Originally posted by Bronco:

quote: Originally posted by specialed: How 'bout how to light a spleef while on belay "ON BE-TRAY!!!" "FLAIL WHEN READY!!!!"

i just got some inside beta on the whole mt baker stewards crap....the beta is good, that my friend now is out of a job....and they didnt tell them till it was too late. to find another well paying deforest service servitude..... they have axed the paid position on the mountain and instead will be having volies do the work.... sounds fucked to me.... theroretically would the paid positions salary come from the parking permit?? i thought so.... well lookie another bullshit line from the man..... [ 04-18-2002, 11:43 AM: Message edited by: erik ]

quote: Originally posted by beefcider: Erik, I'm all for going and restoring some of the routes and I'll hopefully learn something. email me then.....i'm not chopping, but upgrading.... learn both sides of the story, you can alway argue better.....

quote: Originally posted by chris_w: [QB]To try and answer some questions. Erik- I leave the area nicer then when I got there. Old boy scout habits. But I can't be watching them all the time. QB] chris i respect that, but say in the am before climbing begins, i am sure everyone eats breakfast and what not.....good time to give the little litter talk.....also maybe at dinner... maybe make it part of the packet you hand out.... there are many ways to communicate that litter is not acceptable.... and you seem to be the go to guy in this situation so i am going to you to effectivly communicate that litter wheter it be tape, lunch mess (ie banannas, apples or whatever) or candy bar wrapers is wrong.... and yes i am generlizing about the mnteers, cause after last time i saw them out there we picked up a couple bags of trash.....

HEY BEEF, first of all, why is okay to bolt the rock?? and why should people be able to bolt non-controversly, yet to remove a bolt needs to be a controversy...sounds like a one way street with people going both ways...... sport climbing gives an easy intro into the sport, but at the same time it leaves you with only a small aspect of the sport..... 1: you lose the the respect you have for something that might be as safe. 2: you rely on others to protect the route, putting their judgement over yours. yet when you are climbing it is you and not them that has to deal with the consequences. 3: bolts, as most people seem them as bomber protection forever. yet these things are placed in the cliff and are subject to the same forces and elements that the cliff side is....these materials age and will need replacing at sometime....who does that?? does not replacing bolts damage the rock too???? you claim that bolts are only an issue for .10 trad leaders, well i am a fourth class specialist and granted i am not opposed to bolting out right, i am opposed to rappell bolting, excessive bolting, poor bolting and i am strictly against quarrying for routes that require bolts to protect..... there are methods of patching drilled holes in the rock, and i think anyone whom does remove a bolt has the responsibilty to do it corectly and have as little impact as possible....and not patching a hole is not doing it correctly.... enjoy and be safe erik

MAYBE WE SHOULD ASK A PROFESSIONAL THEIR THOUGHTS ON THE MATTER.... CALLING DOUG LARSON.....CALLING DOUG LARSON..... WHAT DO YOU AND YOUR COLLEGUES SEE IN A BOLT WAR.....

quote: Originally posted by max: So to keep the ball rolling here, I'd like to see a list of the top five to ten routes most deserving a chop. Be specific in what route, what bolts, and why. Once the list comes out, we'll see if anyone has a beef and can support their complaint. you know max, this appears to be a good idea in concept...but in reality i dont think anything productive could come out of it.....other then name calling and other various types of b.s. that goes along with this whole mess..... best thing to do with errant bolts, it to leave them be, and to stop putting others in..... certainly there are routes that deserved to be chopped, and certainly there are bolts the deserved to be replaced and certainly there are bolts that need to be placed..... but i do not think that this limited scope of 4 guys saying 'yes' or 'no' is the forum to do it.... and i really think any action wheter it be chopping/removal/retro-bolting should be done with out a spectacle or horn blowing......

so chris one thing that i have noticed with any of the mtneer program is an excessive amount of garbage left behind..... i think before you even have these people tie in or let them put their helmets (unless that happens in the parking lot) is to make sure they go around and pick up garbage and other alien items to the natural enviroment to the area.... no dont go claiming, "it is not us!!!!" because i dont care....last few times i have seen the spectecale of "students" in any cragging area i have noticed increased trash......and since you are all part of one organization, you are all responsible...... preservation of the natural enviroment should be considered over the enjoyment of the natural enviroment...... have fun and be safe.. and i think 90 people is an abuse to the natural enviroment... just my $6.78 worth..............

freeclimb...... most things that are brought on a trip be my serve a purpose.....i dont like to pussyfoot around up thar in them hills....cuz there is so much other fun stuff to do..... extra luxeries equal more weight..... though i will admit all that titanium crap does make nice for reducing mess kit/ stove issues.... and when it comes down to it, regardless of the junk your bring with you, you are gonna do it or your not..... and i am not a badass or a good climber either, probably closer to sketchy and dumb more then anything......

quote: Originally posted by Marcus Engley: quote:Originally posted by Retrosaurus: What about the 5.10 tr variation to Dogleg Crack that is now bolted? Toproped this route this weekend, and I'd say that it IS independent enough to be its own line, and that it wouldn't protect naturally. That said, we toproped it, and had plenty of fun. I was surprised to find it bolted when we got there... so since you can top rope it easily, are you still saying that there needs to be bolts there???? i dont think so... top roping a route works fine and lessens the impact you have to the cliff and keeps the unsightly bolts away...... people top roped problems are great and in my book take nothing away from ones ego or stature as a climber.......cuz we all know thats what it is about....... so maybe we need to stop the bolting for awhile?? and maybe slowly advance on the "restoration" of routes for a bit too......

good bumper sticker.... maybe jon can use it on his bike.... "the closer you tailgate, the better my aim"