erik

cuz people quit talkin bout clean climbing and decied to hate on each other...... pretty damn obvious...

careful rod

mtn dumbf(*^k i am a person who has an autistic family member. i would rather see pics of shit and read personal insults between people who can repsond. your image of a person in the special olympics is purely fucked. these people have disabilites completly out of their control. do you think that they asked to be different. you are a problem and i now hate you!!! asshole!!!!!!! [ 05-15-2002, 01:12 PM: Message edited by: erik ]

recess is over gurlz pleez return to class

i dont know much about this. but i think that if oyu attempt to collect fees in most manners, that then da govt might look at this as a possible revenue source and may want a piece of the action?? really i think it should be low down and under the table kinda op. you know like the mafia or something.... but like i said i dont know much about it. i know there are some experts around here that could sahed light on the subject!?

what about a per post fee?? or we can put a value base on posts. spray $4(trask have your gold card ready!!!), real beta free with other drivel falling somewhere in between. or maybe we can get in with the forrest service and join up on the nw trail pass. remember 80% of it stays right here for enforcement(oops! i meant improvements) i also think jon and tim should drink for freewhen around cc.comers. obvious reasons why. though i think pop up ads would be the worst idea ever. i am sure north face and splitter cams would be into giving you guyz some money. their products are soo talked about here!

will i alway knew you were a #'s slut, even though you claim that grades and ratings dont matter.....trying to reach a thousand posts before you return to the promised land....i see through your thin veil of acceptance!!! i am sik with disgust!!!!

okay off topic, this shiznit is closed

actually henry if you are going to buy fuel bottles (ie: msr) you can borrow some of mine. saves money. and safeway right in enumclaw has whitegas(good thinking dave)

quote: Originally posted by mattp: Sorry Alex. You're right: I don't know the home addresses of all who post. I should have stated "where no CC.Com posters have ever suggested that we have pub club." geez matt, another oversite like that and you are off the committee!!!!

also just outside the park there are many squatter camps right next to the river....take your pick....

i dont advocate the rei or anything but, it is the easiet place to get what you need. i-5 south to the 320th st exit in federal way.... right past road construction go right off of the freeway and take another immediate right at the first light(gateway center) there is a marie callenders right there....you will see the rei sign hope that helps. also in tacoma there is backpackers supply off of s tacoma way, pretty easy to find, but rei and is eaiser!!! have fun and be safe

thank glen!!!! reinforces my point on fixed gear........

bone, your expertise surpasses you..... two of my partners are 5'4" one can climb a5 the other one cannot. so in essence they should make a new placement once you have removed all the fixed junk?? i do not get that. they are stading in the hero loops and still cannot reach the next placement?? what are they to do??? drill??? sounds like a bad plan....what about tat on lower outs on pendos?? fixed gear is fixed for a reason, to minimize the harm done to the stone....though granted in some cases it comes to not being able to clean it.....but for th most part i believe that it serves a good purpose....and you keep metioning trade routes.....they are trade routes for a reason, but agian the definition of a trade route is subjective...i know YOU can handle yourself accordingly, but someone like myself who is pretty much a novice aider/climber still considers these passe' routes as a challenge and exciting..... your aesthic concerns are valid..but your ideas are only half thoughtout.....preserving as much rock in as close as natural should be the game. that is what clean climbing is all about right?? just some ideas.........

clueless well the original retro boltng attempted to not turn the ladders into machined lines. all orignial hardware was replaced with 1/4" split shank stainless buttonheads. all hand drilled. these bolts were manufactured by american hardware or some shit. two of the buttons heads broke off insde their holes. about 1/16"-1/32 depth.......these came from a weak batch of bolts made. after talking with some powers at be it seems that many stainless 1/4ers have had issues over the MANY decades.. they were replcaed with 3/8 and 1/2 stainless hardware. power drilled. there was an attpemt to resotre it with some original flavor. unfortuantly something out of EVERYONEs control went wrong. luckily no one was hurt or injured. this goes to show that all fixed gear and all bolts should be treated with some skepticism. the retro bolter still feels bad about it. what is done is done. like i said, maybe we need to remove it all and erase the route, so everyone can enjoy the original piece of stone.

quote: Originally posted by Alex: I beg your pardon? There are actually a number of us who live in the Rainier Valley/Seward Park....we just maintain a lower profile than you free-love Ballard Scandy hippies. quote:Originally posted by mattp: Good luck with this, Sara. If you are good at this, Alpine K may be out of a job. I would second the Ballard Bar and Grill, except that I might be accused of selfishly wanting to have pub club in my own neighborhood. Maybe we should have it in Columbia City, where no regular posters live anywhere near. alex i have some old gang warfare equipment forsale.....are you interesred?...mac-10s and flak jakets......t-bone even has a 7" double barrel that he claims the statue of limitations has ran out on??? even have armor piercing bullents!!!! and i am s sound scando yo!

looks like the fa chimed in, so i guess this tired debate is over..... how does replacing scary bolts and fixed gear make the route less aesthtic??? are not the bolts the original detractant from a purley aesthic stand point??? why dont we go out and remove all the installations and patch the holes, then you can go out and re-drill it on lead. for your boldness..... if you are looking for scare, go do an fa or a harder route..... abaraxas should suit you fine.... i think soo many people miss the point of bolts ladders/sport routes(too) these are in for protection and the link features...... the replacment of fixed gear is the responsibilty of all climbers, certainly an fa put those in, but with what intention??? fred used modern technology when he did it, and it has now been restorted with the use of modern tech.... bolts are not permant or bomb proof forever and to belive so, shows your ignorance and stupidity..... enjoy

yup thats one reason climbing is soo much fn there are usually several safe methods to gettin it done enjoy erik

quote: Originally posted by ScottP: Erik- I already climbed the manky bolt ladder. good for you, cuz so have i, and i have even done the new one too!!! trump!

sounds good man....beer is one of my favs!!! though i do know of some peeps doing the drag on......so plan accordingly..... enojy and have out there today you wad!!!

well i am going to take them free climbing this weekend and force myself to place them..... i didnt give them too much consideration, probabyl cuase i am biased against them. especially since the big shot from the co. comes by and talks his shit and then never responds. maybe i let all my fatness fall on one, with a bomber tcu placement right below it of course!!!

wow i might see bone on real rock!!! now that would be a true miracle!!! remember one, kust follow the red tape accross the small roof!!!

i am sorry if this is a real thread, but i highly doubt it. why post such stupid shit?? my other brain got the most of me and made me click on it, and now i feel that i am less of person for reading it....... maybe it is called self respect and self control and your partner is mastering those skillz....smart guy if you ask me.......

carolyn, i dont know how long the hike is, but one of the coolest in the gorge area is the eagle creek falls trail. i know oyu can loop it with another trail. but it has been years since i have done it. though the waterfalls are amazing and this would be a good time to see them as we enter peak snow melt snow.......

one thing to note, the city gets hot real soon....it is in the i-da-ho desert...... bring lotsa water and i got the guidebook if anyone needs to borrow it!! enjoy erik