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The attraction would be the entirely mesh upper - better ventilation than just about every tent out there.

They run a menial metal working & assembly plant. The reason prison labor is good is a little thing called "recidivism", as in there's less (meaning the inmates cause less crime on release) when they've gotten some vocational training.

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Anyone tried a Beta Bug? It's a bit Porky w/Betalight as a fly, but looks like it would provide bug free sleeping with excellent ventilation.

I can tell from your response you've probably never been to Mt Hood Ski Bowl. It's a small ski area (960acres) with runs never out of earshot of a highway. It's pretty much impossible to get lost in, unless your lazy. And calling 911 at noon on a 60 degree day - when you've been out for a little bit is irresponsible.

People have been lost on the FRONT SIDE of Mt Hood Ski Bowl and called 911. In sunny warm weather.

An excellent tent! Enjoy!

Any chance of the findings making the trek here?

You likey the betalight?

I think the line between propaganda and documentary is small, and nowadays, people seem to prefer propaganda to documentary (Rush, O'Crappy, Franken vs. mcneill).

Klenke- Reifensthal's "Olympia" and "Triumph of the Will" are both considered documentaries. Triumph of the Will even won a grand prize. Documentary's shouldn't ever be considered strict fact presentation.

Jon- Are you implying you and timmay! are volunteers who work other jobs in addition to minding the gaper center of the universe?

And transition them to an industry with a potential employment growth, ending welfare subsidies? Oh what will the liberals think of next!

No, No Dru, it's for those whose dignified reserve is offended by the "public bravado" or mountain climbing, who prefer their moments of darind "personal, silent, and unobserved"

So get in better shape.

Heli has Sylvain Saudan precedence!

I've met a shitload more clueless, petty, dishonest beauracrats in the business world than I did in academia or working for the military. Of course maybe you want mindless beauracrats. And being the board member of a corporation isn't a job like the rest of us have. Unless you get paid $50k to show up twice a month.

Most enviros at the very least want the subsidised logging of public lands stopped - which I heartily agree with. The reason our timber demands are being outsourced is the timber's cheaper elsewhere - probably partly because of cutting restrictions, but labor, etc are all high in the US. Russia and Canada have vast forests, and are willing to give big subsidies. Of course the enviros turn a blind eye to the nasty fact of the damage being done overseas...

Their Congressional Delegation wields a power disproportionate to their states status.

Over protection? Try they cut the Olympics clean. See much timber of harvestable size left on the peninsula outside of the National Park? I haven't. Whether you care about preserving old growth or not, by it's nature it's a finite resource (relative to our lifetimes), and little remains of it - why sacrifice this irreplaceable (again, in our lifetimes) resource, for an extra 5 years of logging employment?

Thanks for the suggestions folks!

You said something that I was afraid to say, but I have to agree. Sometimes though you get past a hard part, the slope eases off, and you let down your guard and decide not to put another picket in. But with more steepness coming up you stay roped. I can totally see how it could have happened. All you can do on routes like this is to never let down your guard. What route is it better to travel roped w/o pro?

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