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I've climbed Liberty Ridge and Ingraham Headwall with three on an 8mm, 30m line. I wouldn't think twice about this set up again unless you think you'll need to pitch it out. Granted I was stupid enough to almost die on Liberty Ridge so you may not want to take my advice.

Orbit and Canary. It was hot as hell in Leavenworth ... seriously cooking. Met Gimpy the Goat on the way down from Orbit. Young kid with broken right rear leg - coyote bait. But he sent 5.6 slabs ... with a limp. We should have eaten him.

Logging on federal our federal forests contributes all of 3% of the national market for timber. We could EASILY eliminate that 3%, use public lands for biological reserves, and protect economic development in our rural communities for a fraction of the $1 billion per year the federal government LOSES on logging.

I did that trip for $1100 in 1998, but I have no idea how expensive it is now.

This is tragic. Peace to all involved. A string of accidents like this leaves us all looking for answers, but I don't really think there are any. I also support the Park's decision not to close routes. Its not their responsibility to tell us when conditions are a go.

You won't get too far on Cloudcap. Park at the TJ snopark and hike up the TJ Trail to Cloudcap. Or you could call the Hood River Ranger District. 541-352-6002.

keep my mouth shut until i've been thoroughly spanked.

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Sobo, on a more serious note, you're right that property destruction is dangerous. But if you look at groups like the Weather Underground (who did injure people (including themselves) but then changed their stategies), you'll see that folks like this think very carefully about how to avoid injuring people and are pretty good at it. I'm not advocating for property destruction, because I think right now its a pretty shitty political strategy, but I'm not too concerned their political opponents are trumping up fears of personal injury.

Sobo, I think you need some coffee man. Maybe then, you can remove that doubleender from your sphincter .

Whatever. You don't know a thing about ELF. They haven't ever injured a single person and aren't about to start now, so it doesn't sound like their work at all.

We need a new grading scale for urban hazards. I would give the Breakfast Cracks at Rocky Butte a 5.10a, D (for drug para), X (for getting ur rope cut by a thug), and S (for gettin ur geal stolen by hoodlums). Other PDX area grades would be T (getting trundeled) (Broughton's), A (getting arrested for closures) (Madrone and Beacon), TR (getting run over by a train) (Beacon), HW (getting run over by a truck) (Rocky Butte) and last but not least, RP (gettin raped by a perv) (Rocky Butte).

Sierra Trading Post also has Cassin cams for under $30 (under $40 for the large ones). I don't know if there any good, but they're dam cheap.

It's such a fine line betwee stupid and clever. As long as there's sex and drugs and I can do without the rock and roll.

layton have you been sued yet for using Alpinist on the banner of your schticky web site? Can I get some free stuff?

Ok well if we're starting a little press war here, here's the Oregonian story on the TRO mentioned above. Judge halts logging of burned timber The order to stop work in an older forest reserve could be a prelude to challenges of cutting in the larger Biscuit fire area Wednesday, June 16, 2004 MICHAEL MILSTEIN A U.S. judge halted the logging Tuesday of trees on federal lands burned by a 2002 blaze in Southwest Oregon after environmental groups argued that plans to salvage the wood sacrificed wildlife and ecological needs for timber company profits. The action may be a prelude to expected challenges of planned logging in the much larger and nearby 2002 Biscuit fire. Those timber sales could begin by early July and have provoked similar opposition. Timber industry groups said the holdup will allow the wood to deteriorate as it has for almost two years, further eroding its value. "We think it's much better to use burned wood that has been standing for two years rather than go out and find green trees to cut or import wood from Canada," said Tom Partin of the American Forest Resource Council in Portland, which intervened in the case. In the Tuesday decision, U.S. District Judge Ann Aiken in Eugene ordered loggers to cease cutting 790 acres of trees killed by the Timbered Rock fire north of Medford until the case can be considered more thoroughly. She provided no further explanation. The cutting was planned within an older forest reserve set aside by the 1994 Northwest Forest Plan for wildlife, including the northern spotted owl, thought to prefer older stands. The case may become a test of how much wood should be recovered from such lands following fires such as those that scorched Oregon in 2002. Activist groups argue loggers should stay out of the reserves except when thinning dense tree plantations to aid wildlife. About a third of the timber the U.S. Forest Service wants to salvage from lands burned by the Biscuit fire would come from the same type of reserves. "This is a preview of how the agencies have been captured by the idea of putting timber values instead of environmental values," said George Sexton of the Klamath-Siskiyou Wildlands Center, one of five groups that sought to stop the cutting. The Timbered Rock logging was planned by another federal agency, the U.S. Bureau of Land Management. The 790 acres scheduled for cutting represents about 7 percent of the BLM land burned by the fire. About two-thirds of fire-killed trees of all sizes would be left behind, said John Bergin, a BLM planner who helped design the project. Loggers are expected to cut about 25 million board feet of wood, but about a third would probably be discarded because of damage or defects that would make it unmarketable. The Northwest Forest Plan allows salvage of burned timber from reserves within certain limits, provided it does not undermine the quality of wildlife habitat. An interagency team in Portland reviewed the logging plan and concluded it complies with the goals of the reserves. But critics contend the cutting plan would remove many of the landscape's large trees that, even when dead, would provide habitat for owls and their prey while the surrounding forest grows back. The trees to be cut average more than two feet across at chest height, with some more than three feet across. Trees smaller than 16 inches across would be left behind because they have decayed to the point they are no longer worth cutting. Other groups seeking to halt the cutting include the Oregon Natural Resources Council, Cascadia Wildlands Project, Umpqua Watersheds, and Northwest Environmental Defense Center. Michael Milstein: 503-294-7689; michaelmilstein@news.oregonian.com

ass savin

ditto. don't try the bushwhack. even the old wagon trail is slower than tj trail. enjoy! the snowdome looked AWESOME last week - abosolutely beautiful.

pink to match the color of your track pants?

who fucking cares? lance dopes, indurain dopes, jan dopes, they all fucking dope. its still a competition. there's no way to figure out whose doing it and who ain't. until he's busted he ain't doping, and the same goes for every other athlete on the tour.

I've only taken a handfull of serious whippers on my trad gear, but I seem to rely on the red alien when I need it the most. What's your favorite piece for the runout moves?

Thank god they didn't get the RED ALIEN! Sorry for your loss. Kick some ass if you find them.

WooHoo! Just got a TRO on a post-fire salvage sale in So. Oregon. ***NOTE TO PUBLIC ACCESS USERS*** You may view the filed documents once without charge. To avoid later charges, download a copy of each document during this first viewing. U.S. District Court District of Oregon Notice of Electronic Filing The following transaction was received from lae, entered on 6/15/2004 at 8:16 AM PDT and filed on 6/15/2004 Case Name: Oregon Natural Resources Council Fund et al v. Brong et al Case Number: 1:04-cv-693 Filer: Document Number: 48 Docket Text: ORDER: Record of Order by Judge Ann L. Aiken. Granting Plaintiff's Motion for a Temporary Restraining Order [9]. The TRO enjoins defendants from proceeding with the Flaming Rock and Smoked Gobbler timber sales on the Medford District of the Bureau of Land Management, and orders defendants and its agents and contractors to immediately cease any ongoing operations, including logging, pending resolution of the preliminary injunction filed in this case. It is further ordered that no bond is required in this case. (lae, )