AlpineK

I'm going to Index. 5.9-.10 hand cracks rule!!

I always have the most fun slamming people who are not present or incapable of defending themselves. That guy sucks...what an ass...WE RULE!!!

You guys are all getting testy today. Have a good 4th and happy chopping!!

Yeah Beck whats with this weenie nonsmoking bar stuff. You don't go into a bar for your health and nonsmoking bars are dull dull dull. You need to go to France so the Frech can make fun of you for being an uptight American while they blow smoke in your face. I like the large campsite idea. Getting everyone to meet for climbing and beer would have the biggest draw.

Pyramid Snow Cap in the winter Molson Canadian in the summer. We'll have to hold up bombing the brewery when we take over BC. Actually most beer is fine with me except Bud and its byproducts.

I respect all you ice climbers, but what really floats my boat is ripping it up in the pow down some steep narrow couloir. Dam do I really have to wait 6 months. I know I can still hike and find some lame ass slope with giant suncups, but it's not the same. If we had had a decent winter I would still be shreading, but now I just have to wait and hope. George W and his lame ass attitude about global warming has me down too. I want a global ice age!! I want giant glaciers rolling down I-5. Lets hear it for winter!!!

Your a wise man Bronco.

Bronco I can't really condone what your doing to your live tree, but you could limb the tree up to 60' top it and install an eye bolt at the top. That would be better all around for climbing; plus you would have constantly changing conditions as the tree decayed.

Ok you got me. I spent 6 months learning climber speak just so I could post here. You must be a real climber though. Can I lick your boots.

Why has this thread become a serious political discussion I want to make fun of hippy rock climbers even if I do support some hippy stuff. Crazyjz and I had a run in with a hippy rock climber in the Index parking lot a couple years ago. First some background. I'm an aborist which means I'm either nice to trees or I'm killing them. I don't promote slaughter for no reason, but I am a capitalist. As an arborist I often have tools of the trade in my pickup. On the day in question I had a small ax in the bed of my pickup. Crazyjz and I pulled into the parking lot at Index one morning. While we were getting set to go I started talking to this young hippy guy hanging in the parking lot. Crazyjz found my ax and started wandering around the parking lot. Crazyjz used to be in the Boy Scouts and so like the good Boy Scout he is he found himself a 6" alder on the edge of the parking lot and started chopping it down. My new hippy friend saw him and started yelling, "Hey that's a living thing." I told him it was just a small alder and just let Crazyjz have fun. He told me, "I can't believe he's your friend." I told him that I had known Crazyjz for a long time and then I shifted into professional mode and explained that Crazyjz was actually improving the stand of alder trees by removing one of the weaker ones. The hippy guy didn't like my explanation, so I told him I had cut down thousands of trees for money. He told me that we were both assholes and stormed off. We spent the rest of the day laughing at him.

If you were to study the history of ascents on El Cap you would find most of the climbs done in the big Y in the 70's were done by guys who dropped acid on a regular basis on and off the rock. I recommend a Chuck Pratt slide show.

I don't have a huge problem with most of the words listed above as long as the speaker uses them in moderation. Nobody has brought up all the point words. Red point, pink point ect.. I think it would be more honest to say, "I couldn't get up the route without hanging." Also is it fair to say someone is a 5.14 climber, or should you say that guy likes to climb a lot of A0.

That kid's got some initiative and spunk. Who wouldn't face down a bunch of cops for a chalupa.

I think you should only rate your climbing ability by the hardest offwidth you can lead. I'm happy with the exit 38 and Frenchy Couloir. The trad areas used to be jammed on the weekend. Now it's different.

Ballard Rules!!!

A long time ago I climbed the Furher finger leaving the car at 8pm and went nonstop to the summit. We smoked a joint every 1,000' of elevation we gained. We didn't set a speed record but it sure was fun. Maybe someone can tell me what style that was.

I heard that long before I ever heard of Team Harsh Relm, but I'm sure that Scott guy used that statistic to full advantage. I think it's base on the fact that the atmosphere is thinner at the poles. It's a good excuse to smoke more which is all that really matters. [This message has been edited by AlpineK (edited 06-14-2001).]

Yeah we lost track of our elevation. They say because Denali is so far north it's like climbing a 23,000' mountain on the equator. So there must be an extra thousand feet on Rainier.

I've never been climbing in Sedona, but I hear you can get a map showing all the cosmic vortexes at Burger King in Sedona. Have fun but watch out for space aliens!!

Jman, Are you trying to start something? You could have written Jon and Tim privately. Tommorow when there are 30 responses and this topic is shifted to spray you will be guilty of starting spray. Welcome to the club. Other good spray generating topics for you to start include: your upcoming big expedition to Mt. Si, Gear you found while climbing and you wish to taunt the original owner, and what climber has the biggest unit in Washington. I look forward to more of your posts!!

Scott, There is no way the average climb of Rainier is a siege. No one uses fixed ropes, no one hires porters, and you climb the mountain in one push (even if you do sleep). Alpine style refers to climbing like you would in the alps where they have huts ect. Thats the standard everyone I know climbs by, but perhaps you are a lawyer in wich case Alpine style means whatever you say it does.

I can't climb and smoke. I have, but I try and avoid climbing with people who like to smoke befor climbing. For me skiing is the opposite. I may be able to ski clean, but I don't like it. I've never been able to do anything other than cause trouble when I've been drinking.

Nolanr, You don't have to defend your choice. What I would like to see is a better come back than, "I get high on life," That line is stale to say the least. I would like to take issue with your bringing Len Bias up. You should never compare apples to oranges. Freebasing cocaine is very different from smoking pot. Do you think Tylanol #3 should be banned because people OD on heroin? So drink a cup of coffee and try and come up with new material. No wait there's caffeine in coffee and that's a mind altering substance and you don't want to end up like Len Bias.

Sure walking ain't skilled, but interpreting what you find is. Have you ever heard of a joke Mike or are you hyper-sensitive about people scabbing on the highly skilled occupation of guiding.

Most skilled labor goes for about $60.00/hr these days. Don't forget to charge one way drive time. You will probably want insurance for bad advice, and if you hire someone over the table you need to be a registered contractor.