AlpineK

"Get high on life" what a weak lame ass cliche. You non loadies need to come up with some new material. That line was old in the '70's. "Just say no," right nolanr. Have fun hanging with Nancy R this weekend.

Hey Bone up the Butt, I bet you've done lots of brown point ascents, so many your nose has a permanent stain. Tell us more about your heros from Montana I bet you use lots of verbs like stamina and nouns like sheep. PS I like sport climbing. Now all the trad climbs have a lot less traffic. [This message has been edited by AlpineK (edited 05-31-2001).]

Tex, You should spend a day with my buddy crazyjz. He's one of the mouthiest little f@#%ers you'll ever meet, but he's done a bunch of walls. He's quite impressive and very annoying. I bet after a few hours you'll want to punch him to get him to shut up. Word of advice-- that only makes matters worse.

Your just bitter because you never got to see the body of water that's named for you.

Crazyjz, You'll be whipped when you least expect it. [This message has been edited by AlpineK (edited 05-24-2001).]

For a young man your very perceptive. Just remember no matter how independent you think you are someday you will be on a leash too. It may be worth noting that "Donna" may be a figment of Pope's imagination. [This message has been edited by AlpineK (edited 05-24-2001).]

Yeah!!

No feelings hurt here Pope. You are right she is elitest and bitchy.

Someday I hope to be smart enough to understand you Donna.

I've managed to do 99.999% of my climbing without help of the internet. The internet can help you sure, but those of you who take this site too seriously need to take a pill.

Bunny, You are avoiding the question of your gender. If your going to make the statement that you are a girl then you will have to prove it. You didn't object when Donna called you, "bunny boy," or, "nasty feller." If you are a girl then I would like to know if you've ever been employed as a trucker or a longshoreman.

Right on Donna, Do you want this web site to be some boring place where the only action is people selling used gear? There are plenty of them out there. Is your only reason for comming here is that Jim Nelson posts here? Grow up and stop hero worshiping. If you can't have some fun and roll with things perhaps you need to do some self examination. On a recent post I pointed out that changing one word in a sentence gave a new and warped meaning to it. For my comment I was told that I had been, "butt raped and liked it". Now do you think I took a post like that from someone I had never met befor seriously? No, in fact I started laughing the second I read that. Yes, the post degenerated from there, but the information requested was delivered. So what was the harm? a post that would have had 5 or 6 responses now has 15 or so. For those of you desperate for the most recent conditions or route information remember that most of the fun of climbing is dealing with the unknown. Information is great, but do you want to have your hand held up each route you do? Conditions change all the time, so no matter how much beta you have you still have to find out what the route is really like for yourself. If you climb for very long you will make mistakes and bail from routes because of bad conditions, but you will probably learn the most from those climbs. So go climbing and stop obsessing about information. [This message has been edited by AlpineK (edited 05-23-2001).]

You are asking a question about a mountain that is in the North Cascades not the Alpine Lakes (the last I checked). So you might want to look in the segment of this web site devoted to the North Cascades.

Try the north cascades section

I've noticed a number of subjects posted in the Alpine Lakes section that either belong in spray or in some other section. The whole Big Lou thing for example should have been in spray from the get go. But I don't want to pick on sprayers (myself) alone; also posted in the Alpine Lakes section are a thread about University Wall and a domain name for sale. Isn't that just as bad? Part of the problem is that sprayers want to be able to click on the top 25 and get the spray too. I would like to point out that of the people I know who post here, myself included, both spray and post helpfull stuff too. In fact I suspect that many of the sprayers have quite a bit of climbing knoledge and are happy to share it. While we may not have top names posting that doesn't mean there is a lack of people who don't know what they are talking about. I would like to say that I certainly do not take any of the BS posted here seriously, and I hope others know that sometimes things are said to be helpfull and sometimes things are said for their hummor content. I have two conclusions from all this: put spray back in the last 25 posts, and America would be a much better place if Puritans had never come here.

5/22/01 C and I skied up Ruth mountain today. There are patches of snow for the first mile of the trail; after you reach 4,000' its all snow. The weather was hot and on our decent, at about noon, we set off a couple of slow moving slides. We saw some larger slides that probably happened on the 21st. With some more freeze thaw and some colder temps the snow could be good this weekend. Kurt F

Bunny, You claim to be a girl bunny, but since I can't see you how am I to decide if you really are? 2 points argue against you being female first, though I can't see Donna TS, she acts more ladylike than you. Second and more importantly, your hobby of bopping field mice on the head is one that a boy bunny would be more interested in. Watch out or your going to get turned into a toad. Heinrich thanks for being helpfull, but no I do not have anything better to do. Most stuff on the internet is BS anyway so put on your hip boots. [This message has been edited by AlpineK (edited 05-22-2001).]

Other people know what you said the first time around bunnyfoofoo. My post above is the obvious response to your original post. Most rabbits sure do like to breed. Maybe you need to hang out with some girl rabbits.

Littlebunnyfoofoo Are you hooking up with dick for a peek around, or did you mean to type the word reach in it's place?

He probably eats such a healthy diet of Tofu and sprouts that he would pass out the first time a Russian Kayaker made him chug a cup of Vodka. [This message has been edited by AlpineK (edited 05-21-2001).]

Yo Max, Your last post certainly makes you look like an idiot. I'd say more, but I just spent the last few hours at the Sunset drinking beer and listening to music, and I don't want my alcoholic haze to fuel the discussion. Off the subject: there sure are some funky ass shows at the Sunset in Ballard. You all should check them out... except Max.

On Rainier I believe they will register you by radio. Of course you could make up a name and address and not pay. Some of the climbing rangers on Rainier are pretty laid back and anti cop by nature. Be nice and don't do anything that that violates common outdoor ethics and you will probably be ok.

J, I would in no way suggest removing bolts at Vantage. Thats what people like there, so good for them. I've clipped a number of bolts at Vantage Exit 38, Smith ect. Sport climbing is pretty fun. Everything in its place thats what I say and DDD is no place for bolts given the areas history. Like I said I'm not running out to remove bolts. I vote for chopping the bolts on DDD, but I would like to see a consensus on this action befor anyone proceeds. An arbitrary decision to chop is just as bad as the decision to place the bolts in the first place.

Max, Your quite uptight. If you climb at an area a lot then that gives you the right to comment on the developement and ethics of the area. With your logic you should only comment on climbing at Larabie. (SP?)

Peter, You seem to favor constructive engagement. The US government has been trying constructive engagement in their dealings with China in the hopes that this would improve human rights in China. I don't notice any change in China. While trying to politely convince pro sport bolters not to wreck routes may be a feel good solution, I would argue that this is inefective. The pro bolters have free reign at Vantage, Exit 38, ect... and yet this is not enough. There have been many polite and well thought out arguements presented to bolters and yet routes like DDD get bolted. At some point there needs to be a negative response to bolting. Bolters need to know that others hate their actions and if they transgress too far they should be punished by having their routes chopped. Chopping a route shouldn't be done lightly as some have pointed out above the end result is not restoration of the rock; however it may be justified. Im certainly not running out this weekend to chop the route, but I wouldn't cry if someone did. If you want to be the honey when it comes to the bolting argument thats fine, but you should respect the honeybees who want to defend their resource.