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Well, my shoulder was sore before the ride, but yes it was probably the combination. My PTist acknowledged the problem with riding posture, but seemed to indicate that the driving force was probably excessive strain due to pullups. My shoulder has pretty much fully recovered by following the PTs advice.

I agree with most of what is being said. I think the media hypes climbing-related rescues way out of proportion. Part of the reason is because the average person can't conceive of why someone would 'waste' their time doing it and take such 'unnecessary risks'. On the other hand, hunting/fishing culture is much more established in our society and people don't see it as the same kind of futile self-absorbing activity for some reason. Same for tourism, nature-enjoying, hiking, etc. Not the same kind of perceived 'risk'. That said, I wouldn't mind seeing a climbing rescue insurance kind of thing like they purportedly have in Europe. I know it probably wouldn't work here, though. But if it did, no one could say sh!t about us not covering our own @sses. It should not be mandatory though, lest we inadvertently set up an economic criteria for climbing on public lands or something. hmmm.

I was doing a couple sets of pullups once a day, almost every day, for a week, after an extended period 'on the couch'. Then, I went for a mountain bike ride. On the drive to the TH, I noticed some soreness/twinging in my shoulder just from steering the car. I went anyway and during the course of my ride (difficult climbing, occasional falling and bracing off my arms) my arm became very very sore. I cut the ride short, but the downhill ride back to the car was very unpleasant. The next day, I could not lift my arm out in front or to the side above shoulder level without pain. I went the doctor, he injected me with cortizone and told me I must maintain range of motion. He referred me to physical therapy. The PT gave me some excersizes that mostly involved moving my arm through range of motion in different directons and some strengthening using resistance bands. So, it kind of started slowly, but was a suddenly noticable thing when I couldn't lift my arm. I don't know what would have happened if I had never went for that bike ride.

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I guess that is why I forgot where it is!!! Never went back a second time. Went to the new thai place mai lee this eve. Pretty good, but not stellar.

My bad you are right. I was going off of memory - should have googled it first. Totally, if you enjoy both, go for it. I simply do not enjoy very much most bourbons I have tasted. Granted I have not tried perhaps some of the finer bourbons, just the widely available ones.

I work with GPS/GIS professionally quite a bit and have not felt that they would help me in the backcountry significantly enough to justify the 1) expense and 2) weight/bulk. That is in part due to my confidence in map/compass skills and in part due to the hassle of getting good satellite geometry and accuracy with GPSes. It also absorbs more time in the field (that could otherwise be spent making progress on the route) than I am willing to give a tool that improves my navigation only negligibly. That said, I would recommend newcomers to be very comfortable with map and compass. Then, if you want to add GPS capability, make sure you know how to use the damn thing. I have been on trips with people who tended to rely too heavily on GPS and obviously did not really know what they were doing. That is not the right approach.

I second that!!! Isn't Makers Mark Canadian Whiskey...not bourbon Jameson is Irish Whiskey I believe...not bourbon Bourbon isn't really very good anyway. Neither are Canadian or Irish Whiskeys. Scotch is the way to go. Relatively inexpensive blended scotch: J&B Really friggin good scotch (if you like the smoky/peaty Islay varieties): Laphroaig or Talisker Gotta get a titanium flask to put it in, though. Some bourbons come in plastic.

What about 'the Thai Restaurant' near Miller/Chelan Ave (I forget exactly)?

Jesus christ am i tried of hearing this phrase on everything. This is a commonly used strategy by those who have absolutely nothing to say, yet want to boost their post count. I agree, it is tired. BEST ALBUMs i've been listening to in '06: Bobby Bare Jr - The Longest Meow (2006; alt-pop-country, but good) Ryan (not Bryan) Adams & the CArdinals - Cold Roses (2006; jam-tinged alt-country, but good) Mofro - Lochloosa (2004; soulful blues w/ a little rock, but good) Black Keys - Chulahoma (2006; straight up blues w/ edge, but good)

The advantage to living west of the mtns is more culture and a milder climate (but more rain too). East of the cascades, it is hard to find a very cool city. There are some nice small towns, though and cost of living is much lower. I would highly recommend Twisp, real vibrant local community w/ artists and a good brew pub too. Close to lots of x-c skiing or backcountry, not too far from a small lift served ski area. Some local rock and ice climbing and of course the north cascades mtns. Downside is its pretty remote, especially in winter when the north cascades highway (20) is closed. Also be prepared for LOTS OF SNOW. For a more centrally located east of mtns town, try Ellensburg. Home to Central Wash U., smallish kind of nice town. Not too far from Yakima for bigger town needs and only 1.5 hrs to Seattle. 1/2 hr. from Blewett pass or snoqualmie pass, near vantage/columbia basin and not too far from leavenworth/icicle canyon/stuart range. but there are COWS.

Nice job guys, Children of the Sun looks really sweet. Who's gonna lead that?

I think if you descend a classic after ascending a harder classic, that should count for both. That way you can do two at once... and maybe it will enable wayne to get his adams routes out of the way and john to get down the dc.

Leavenworth, 7501 Icicle Road: High yesterday exceeded 40 degF 7am today 33 degF

Thanks! How can I hook up with you? Where at Banks Lk.?

Hey, if anyone wants to hook up for some ice this weekend, my partner bailed. let me know.

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Did a little drive-by scouting, here's what I saw: Tumwater Cyn: -Drury Falls, forming rapidly, looks snowy, probably climbable now. -The Pencil, lower pitches need time, upper pitches in. -Comic Book Hero/Plastic Fantastic Lover, not sure which is which. I saw one obvious line that looked pretty hard and climbable now. May get easier with time. Icicle Cyn: -Careno area, several climbable lines in. -Hubba Hubba, in, saw two climbers on it. -Wet n Wild, forming, needs time.

Starbucks has T-Mobile wireless access - you have to pay. I've had trouble with the library system, but worth a try. Park behind the Bank of America, the hotel next door has free wifi access, unsecured. Nice private parking area (but no coffee served).

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Is that the gully in the Scurlock picture that dberdinka posted (#3?)? Yes, great photos on his site.

It is more expensive, but HIGHER quality, than NO health care at all...which is the amount of health care coverage a large number of working people currently have. Keep up the socialist mantra, tovarish. Hillarycare was such a success in 1992; I'm sure it'll be a win this time around too. So do you have any suggestions for making our healthcare system work, do you foolishly believe that it does currently work, or is it all you can do to spew your blindly anti-progressive BS?

Awesome. Thanks for the link. very informative...

I am such a loser! I have been on this site for like 3 hours now. Why? I have an at-home midterm due tomorrow, have to work tonight and have a meeting in the afternoon tomorrow. So when am I going to do the midterm? Now?...not likely! P-R-O-C-R-A-S-T-I-N-A-T-I-O-N