Alex

I used the GiGi about a year before going to the reverso. I like the reverso and wouldnt go back. Alex

so...where is it gonna be?

I have a Fuji FinePix 2800 with 6x optical zoom and 128mb card. It also takes "movies" with sound. It is fairly compact and light and I take it climbing. It has macro, the zoom is nice, it takes 4AAs. I recommend this camera, but you wont need the 128 MB card, 64 would be fine. You can see some of the photos (reduced) it takes here: http://www.mountainwerks.org/alexk/climb/TRIceCliff.htm

nice info God its hard to believe a #1 head's wire is supposed to hold almost 500 pounds! Guess I should stop sketchin' on bomber nuts when aiding huh?

Mr CHiPs I am only 13, so I am not even in high skool yet

Mr CHiPs I am only 13, so I am not even in high skool yet

i think sc never actually offered a definitive deffinition of what it was...I mean, everyone knows what and are. shit! Thats it! It doesnt have its own emoticon!!!

quote: Originally posted by Dwayner: ...Mickey Rooney, another little guy who is not retarded... are you sure about that? I disagree!

quote: Originally posted by Dwayner: ...Mickey Rooney, another little guy who is not retarded... are you sure about that? I disagree!

"I take your point, and I still disagree." My points were: * "Everyone has the right to use this site as they see fit, without interferece" * "Anyone who wants this site to be something that it isnt, or wont be with current moderation policies, should go elsewhere" and you disagree? Perhaps there is no relavence left on this bord for you and yours, but I enjoy it tramendously. I never said it had no relevance to me, if it didnt why would I be debating with you? I enjoy this board alot, and get alot out of it. I am glad you do. That makes 2 of us. What I said is it has no relevance as a platform for the local climbing community (and it doesnt) and it doesnt serve as a real vehicle for information (it doesnt). Had it gone down a different road in the beginning, 2 years ago, then it might have. Who knows? I think you and I are talking about 2 different things, without realizing it, and just dont understand that yet. Hopefully we'll meet someday and we can talk about it all. people could always be nicer... they could also be less pompus. pompous huh? cool, I'll add that to my list! Hey 'K, we finally skiing this year? I promise I wont ridicule your Randonee (french for "can't tele") setup

"I take your point, and I still disagree." My points were: * "Everyone has the right to use this site as they see fit, without interferece" * "Anyone who wants this site to be something that it isnt, or wont be with current moderation policies, should go elsewhere" and you disagree? Perhaps there is no relavence left on this bord for you and yours, but I enjoy it tramendously. I never said it had no relevance to me, if it didnt why would I be debating with you? I enjoy this board alot, and get alot out of it. I am glad you do. That makes 2 of us. What I said is it has no relevance as a platform for the local climbing community (and it doesnt) and it doesnt serve as a real vehicle for information (it doesnt). Had it gone down a different road in the beginning, 2 years ago, then it might have. Who knows? I think you and I are talking about 2 different things, without realizing it, and just dont understand that yet. Hopefully we'll meet someday and we can talk about it all. people could always be nicer... they could also be less pompus. pompous huh? cool, I'll add that to my list! Hey 'K, we finally skiing this year? I promise I wont ridicule your Randonee (french for "can't tele") setup

alex... now your comment about repsect for a thread.....a thread is like a micocosim of a conversation....when was the last time you had a conversdation with a few people and it did not turn another direction or onto another topic????? certainly the hate and stupid crass jokes some use need to stop, but when that will happen and who will make it happen is anyones...guess erik, I for one have always appreciated the thought you put into your posts when there is actually thinking to be done. I appreciate your honesty and ability to see another person's point of view, and that became apparent to me pretty much that first couple weeks with "Spray Detracts From this Site" when both you and Dru had good arguments and insightful things to say, along with many other people. But I disagree that all threads are conversation. Sure if the banter is about Formula 1 vs Stock Car racing, who cares? But all too often someone posts a trip report, the next thing you know there are twenty posts with one or two poeple calling each other names, polluting what otherwise is a good read. Often times I've heard the argument "if you dont like it, dont read it" but unfortuneatly I dont buy it since I naturatlly have to read it to even know if I like it or not. I have a suggestion for jon and tim. An author of a thread should be able to nuke it if they feel its going sour. Up until now you and me and other moderators are left to clean up the sheit when it actually happens ("attitude" is a great example). Why not let authors police their own threads? Just a thought. Alex

alex... now your comment about repsect for a thread.....a thread is like a micocosim of a conversation....when was the last time you had a conversdation with a few people and it did not turn another direction or onto another topic????? certainly the hate and stupid crass jokes some use need to stop, but when that will happen and who will make it happen is anyones...guess erik, I for one have always appreciated the thought you put into your posts when there is actually thinking to be done. I appreciate your honesty and ability to see another person's point of view, and that became apparent to me pretty much that first couple weeks with "Spray Detracts From this Site" when both you and Dru had good arguments and insightful things to say, along with many other people. But I disagree that all threads are conversation. Sure if the banter is about Formula 1 vs Stock Car racing, who cares? But all too often someone posts a trip report, the next thing you know there are twenty posts with one or two poeple calling each other names, polluting what otherwise is a good read. Often times I've heard the argument "if you dont like it, dont read it" but unfortuneatly I dont buy it since I naturatlly have to read it to even know if I like it or not. I have a suggestion for jon and tim. An author of a thread should be able to nuke it if they feel its going sour. Up until now you and me and other moderators are left to clean up the sheit when it actually happens ("attitude" is a great example). Why not let authors police their own threads? Just a thought. Alex

yeah I agree with others: late Feb into the first 2 weeks of march. The days are much longer, allowing you to go for bigger routes, the temps are cold but not too much below freezing, making for pleasant climbing conditions and plastic ice, and the crowds associated with vacation periods (christmas and new years) might not be so noticable. that said I go in January every year and its very nice, too. Alex

sk, actually, this is a great example of what I am talking about. You have no idea who I am, have never met me, and yet you call me the problem? As for your defence of Greg, boy I wish you had been there to DEFEND ME when I needed it, but no one steps up when theres real shit flying. Greg doesnt need any defense, certainly not against me. a) I am not attacking anyone b) I am not attacking anyone and c) I am not attacking anyone I am happy you got hooked up through this site. In fact I have climbed alot of really great routes with many members of this posting community, and I have NEVER had a bad experience. When people deride this board I defend it, because in general the people I have met here, like you, are great people. so what was your problem again??? please re-read my post. You are really very new to this board and don't know alot of things about its history or the characters that post here. To summarize though, my point is that: Everyone has the right to use this site as they see fit, without interferece Anyone who wants this site to be something that it isnt, or wont be with current moderation policies, should go elsewhere People arn't nice enough??? no, people are certainly NOT nice enough here maybe you are the problem??? perhaps I am. It is your right to suggest it. I am a suck shit climber and the slowest hiker in the world and still manage to climb with and meet people and learn things via this bbs that you say holds no true content.... Please re-read my post. I never stated it didnt hold true content, I stated it lost its relevance as a platform for the local climbing community. Alex

sk, actually, this is a great example of what I am talking about. You have no idea who I am, have never met me, and yet you call me the problem? As for your defence of Greg, boy I wish you had been there to DEFEND ME when I needed it, but no one steps up when theres real shit flying. Greg doesnt need any defense, certainly not against me. a) I am not attacking anyone b) I am not attacking anyone and c) I am not attacking anyone I am happy you got hooked up through this site. In fact I have climbed alot of really great routes with many members of this posting community, and I have NEVER had a bad experience. When people deride this board I defend it, because in general the people I have met here, like you, are great people. so what was your problem again??? please re-read my post. You are really very new to this board and don't know alot of things about its history or the characters that post here. To summarize though, my point is that: Everyone has the right to use this site as they see fit, without interferece Anyone who wants this site to be something that it isnt, or wont be with current moderation policies, should go elsewhere People arn't nice enough??? no, people are certainly NOT nice enough here maybe you are the problem??? perhaps I am. It is your right to suggest it. I am a suck shit climber and the slowest hiker in the world and still manage to climb with and meet people and learn things via this bbs that you say holds no true content.... Please re-read my post. I never stated it didnt hold true content, I stated it lost its relevance as a platform for the local climbing community. Alex

hate to say this dwayner, but this site began losing any relevance as a platform for the local community and a real vehicle for information, oh, about 2 years ago, when users decided it was more important to entertain themselves (often at the expense of others) than to restrict activity to things climbing related on the one hand, it has made the site very popular as a distraction, and there is more activity on this board than any other climbing-related board. Activity is good, when there isnt much, BBSs become stale and eventually obsolete. I still like coming here from time to time and sharing stories or reports or commenting on gear, because the content and discussion is fresh. on the other hand, the free and lackadasical attitudes that some posters have has certainly turned me and most of my friends off from posting information here. One, because we have all been party to various VERY PERSONAL flame wars that often boiled over into REAL THREATS, and two, because it seems there is little if any respect for a thread. Thread creep, thread drift, posting aimless comments when they have no relevance. Just shows that no one cares. So why should I? My opinion is that there is nothing anyone can do, short of publically ostracizing people who dont live up to a standard, and banning them. And as some have so ably pointed out in the past, who the fuk is Alex (or anyone besides jon and tim?) to set any standard for anyone else? coexisting on this site is just like coexisting in the real world. While I might not agree with people like Capt Caveman or Greg W on alot of issues, including how to use this site or other things, they have just as much right as I do to be here and use the site as they see fit. If one doesnt like it, might as well leave...? Alex

hate to say this dwayner, but this site began losing any relevance as a platform for the local community and a real vehicle for information, oh, about 2 years ago, when users decided it was more important to entertain themselves (often at the expense of others) than to restrict activity to things climbing related on the one hand, it has made the site very popular as a distraction, and there is more activity on this board than any other climbing-related board. Activity is good, when there isnt much, BBSs become stale and eventually obsolete. I still like coming here from time to time and sharing stories or reports or commenting on gear, because the content and discussion is fresh. on the other hand, the free and lackadasical attitudes that some posters have has certainly turned me and most of my friends off from posting information here. One, because we have all been party to various VERY PERSONAL flame wars that often boiled over into REAL THREATS, and two, because it seems there is little if any respect for a thread. Thread creep, thread drift, posting aimless comments when they have no relevance. Just shows that no one cares. So why should I? My opinion is that there is nothing anyone can do, short of publically ostracizing people who dont live up to a standard, and banning them. And as some have so ably pointed out in the past, who the fuk is Alex (or anyone besides jon and tim?) to set any standard for anyone else? coexisting on this site is just like coexisting in the real world. While I might not agree with people like Capt Caveman or Greg W on alot of issues, including how to use this site or other things, they have just as much right as I do to be here and use the site as they see fit. If one doesnt like it, might as well leave...? Alex

quote: Originally posted by Greg W: Can't we all just be nice to each other and get along? Ok, now you are scaring me. [ 10-02-2002, 10:07 AM: Message edited by: Alex ]

I've been putting off going down there for far too long it seems!

thanks, I've been meaning to go climb this and I think I'll give it a shot this weekend..

http://www.wowweather.com/newsletter.htm a discussion of some of the dry forecasts that are being made for this upcoming fall and early part of the winter.

[ 10-01-2002, 10:40 AM: Message edited by: Alex ]

hey mr. radon sir, where is THAT?? Alex

quote: Originally posted by forrest_m: i hear cavey is a toothophile... I heard that too, ...wait... does Beckey still have teeth Ray?