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I am looking for volunteer opportunities working with youth in the outdoors in the PNW. Can anyone point me towards a resource for information on such opportunities? Thanks

Near Mazama is Fun Rock, a sport crag and Goat Wall with multi pitch routes. Brian Burdo's North Cascades Rock guide book should have the relevant beta. Washington Pass is nearby with good spring skiing and very fine ice/mixed routes when in condition as well.

My name is Dan and I don't suck, I inhale.

Try another, less crowded route.

Dan, Hey I will be coming out to Colorado, maybe we can hook up. I just got into rock climbing and I have been preparing by top roping in the gym. I want to do something not too hard (like the Casual route on the Diamond)for my first trip up.

The latin name for Devil's Club is perhaps the most appropriate in all of the plant kindom: Applopanix horridum

Wopper, I run at Pt Defiance from time to time. I got good and lost there once, turning a one hour run into a 2 1/2 hour run. I usually run in the Issaquah alps. Crazy how popular it has become. I used to run with no other company than the bear and deer, but now there are many trail runners.

I have both Aidas Response and Trail Response shoes. The Trail Response have a noticable denser sole and more lateral stability. I find the increased lateral stability to make a huge difference in ankle support. I have rolled my ankle numerous times in other shoes, but never while wearing the Trail Response.

How about Engine House # 9. Its like a block from my house. If we have it there I will be sure to show up.

My shoes (Aidas Trail Response) are too beat out for running after 300-400 miles. After that my knees start feeling it. The most miles I ever put on a pair was 600. My knees constantly hurt until I replaced them. I have a 3 phase program-new shoes for running, previous running shoes become walkin' around shoes, previous walkin' around shoes become lawn mowing shoes, previous lawn mowing shoes get tossed

Scot'teryx you are a gaper. That disclaimer you read on the Grivel website regarding not knocking your crampons or using as a deadman applies to ALL of their axes. It is an industry standard CYA thing. You need to read more carefully before you start spraying a bunch of shit you know nothing about. Go climb something, then maybe you will be able to form a valid opinion.

The North Face variation is harder than the 'classic' route when it is well iced anyway.

Has anyone used a Nikon 35Ti? I think this would be the ultimate climbing camera; light, compact, optics second to none. The only drawback would be the cost: $1,350.00

Mikey, The Grivel axe is very much a real axe. Scot'teryx does not know what he is talking about. It is a fine tool for all around mountaineering. My partner has used his on mixed climbs in Alaska, I have used mine on WI 4+ winter alpine routes. Also, Gore-tex in foot wear is a stupid joke.

I don't remember what I thought the first time I climbed a 50 degree slope but I remember what I thought the last time I did: 'That was fucking boring'.

The left hand skyline of the summit pyramid (as seen when ascending Sulphide Glacier) offers fun scrambling on good rock. Easy to down climb. The 'normal' route takes a gulley in the center of the face and is loose and often crowded.

That would be me in the running shoes.

I don't believe Graybeard is accesible until the Hwy opens.

In defense of the Emmons: I took a couple of friends up the Emmons for their first time up Rainier. They loved it and found just being on a big glaciated peak to be plenty exciting. One fellow we met on our way up declared it to be 'a wicked route'. While it was certainly not that, the 'schrund crossing did provide some spice for my friends and a feeling of great accomplishment. There are certainly more interesting routes on the mountain, but I am not sure I would want to be roped to inexperienced climbers on the Kautz route.

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I take the 4 largest hexes instead of double cams on many routes. It saves weight and expense, especially if you have to leave a piece.

I second Thin Red line. The aid sections were nice, with little fixed gear. Plus you get to watch people epic on the first couple of pitches of Liberty Crack.

You tell 'em Allison!

Ice Ice Baby, quote: And again...The question on hand was how the performance and value of OP is compare to the market average Not...you're personal sentimental preference Right. By the way that should be 'your' to indicate possession. You're is a contraction of you are.

I have to agree with Allison. When OP went to prison labor they layed off most of their work force in Kirkland. The president was interviewed in a newspaper article and his attitude really bugged me. He said prison labor was great because he did not have to hire single mothers who would miss work when their kids got sick. As a single parent that rubbed me the wrong way.