jon

COME ON PEOPLE DELETE THEM MESSAGES. SO FAR 4000 HAVE BEEN DELETED BUT THERE IS STILL OVER 26K LEFT. EITHER PRUNE YOUR INBOXES OR HAVE THEM PRUNED FOR YOU.

Kurt I'm getting you faded at Pub Club tonight so you will give a demonstration. Beck will promise to throw chairs again so it should be a rowdy time.

Come on people there are 50 of you online and there hasn't been anything deleted.

Okay 1000 erased, only 29,000 more to go.

Hey Folks, Take a moment to clean out that private message inbox of yours. It will make things run faster for you and collectively will make the board a little faster. Thanks

Fern

Trask this conversation doesn't concern you.

Figure Eight, my post wasn't directed at you, just a general comment. I guess what my point was that you have to be realistic about impacts on the environment and how you contribute. What is worse, the bolt and chalk or the clear cut. You are contributing to both whether you realize it or not. Bolting should be an issue resolved and managed by climbers and not the FS. The FS is responsible for a level of destructive environmental impact and land mismanagement that they have no business dealing with something where there is no environmental impact besides aesthetics. I'm not saying there isn't an impact from a bolt, but they don't pollute streams and such, they just permantly (at least while we grace the planet) change the aesthetics of the rock. You have to pick your fights here people. I personally think there are more important issues that will have much more of a lasting impact on our future then any bolt will, namely the Fee Demonstration program and allowing private industry into our publically owned lands. What good does arguing about a bolt on a specific route matter if the crag was demolished while being mined or clear cutted?

Darryl I'm in. Bob, I've been trying to work with Access Fund since we started the site. I saw this as a great conduit for them to get their message out and get their local membership up, and aid in spreading the word about cleanups. The problem I've found is two fold with them. First is Andy Fitz has done an incredible job, but there is more work to be done then one person could possibly handle so it really looks like nothing has been done. He told me that it would be nice to have a person for each large climbing area in the state and he asked who I would suggest.... and I pointed to Mattp. The second problem is that at the national level they only have an office staff of like 8 people, for the whole country. They more or less told me that there had to be a major event (400+ i think) for someone to talk, and had to be something major to warrant their attention at the national level. I was trying to donate money from our advertising but they would refuse to let me earmark it for local stuff, so it is just sitting waiting for a good cause.

I've seen lots of white shit like that photo in caves, but it wasn't chalk. Nothing like arguing about bolts in a cave that's located in a middle of a clearcut, from your house made of wood.

That Hurt video was so sad to watch, to see how old and frail he had become. Thanks Johny

what if the bear bounced back up into the tree

I think you guys should knock it off, we aren't at war with other websites.

My friend who was on one told me over 60 when they needed to. Imagine wake boarding behind one of those things!!!!

SIMMAH DOWN NAH!!!!!

They wouldn't build it unless they needed it. Besides the cost, the resources needed to have one of those things in a fleet is enormous, so they don't have a bunch just sitting around.

And this fucker too!

Yeah this is really classy. We'll just throw the guy who donated beer last year aside. How many kegs are you getting versus how many is he bringing to Smith. Take into consideration it's coming out of his pocket and not some OR writeoff.

Here I will answer my own questions. 1.) How many of the people are cc.com regulars or are involved in some aspect of running the site in your handfull of people. A.) The answer is zero. I am no longer involved because quite frankly you didn't listen to what I have to say. The other people involved are AAC people who really want to associate themselves with this site because of our success. That is fine, but they can't hijack our event. 2.) What input have you taken from the people I mentioned earlier. A.) The answer is very little. We aren't having Hefe, wow thanks. I said I thought it would be appropriate if you are going to get a whole bunch of sponsors for stuff that we talk to the cc.com sponsors who are committed to the cc.com community if they wanted to be involved in the cc.com event. Now they are involved and I wish they weren't. Like I told you the site depends on these guys. 3.) Why do you keep saying dirtbag. A.) You keep using the word dirtbag as a smokescreen for the fact that you have turned this into "something corporate". There is no grassroots to this event this year. Last year yes, which btw you didn't help plan AT ALL. Explain to me the reasoning that you think you can are the one almighty in charge of it this year when you did nothing last year?

I've got three questions for Beck. 1.) Who is we? You keep saying we in your planning. I want to know who we is. 2.) Exactly what input have you taken from me, Mattp, and K? 3.) Why do you keep refering to everyone as dirtbag climbers? I'm sorry I had to post this here but you have pretty much avoided adressing my questions in private emails.

What is ACTUALLY funny is that Dwayner still finds entertainment value among all of the dull folks who regularly contribute to this long-since-done-jet-ski-jumped-the-predator-fish site. I don't know where he's at today. I'm home sick. COWABUNGA DUDE JUMP THE SHARK!!!!!!!!

It's funny that Dwayner is so bent out of shape that he had to email or call you to post in his defense. I can imagine the conversation now.... "Pope this is Dwayner, what are you up to, crapping in your sleeping bag with Big Lou. Har har har. Anyways that kid that is always baked all the time who needs a haircut, whats his name, yeah Erik, he getting pretty nasty with my about these bolt things. Might need a little backup here."

The problem with any arguement no matter how coherent or well thought out is if the person who is making it is not willing to at least listen to what others think, you are making your arguement in vain. For the most part life is about making compromises, and it those who have the willingness to compromise in the name of making progress towards your goal who ultimately win. Those who are unwilling to compromise usually get nowhere. Dwayner, it's your unwillingness listen to others or make compromises that has resulted in your posts falling on deaf ears.

Maybe this thread should be moved to the NEW BITCH ABOUT BOLTS FORUM!!!!!

Just finished reading Clancy's Teeth of the Tiger. Where do I sign up?