Doug

Charlie, Your use of grammar is atrociuos - I believe it should be "I'm going fucking crazy".

The Eiger Sanction Rocks!!!! The best thing about Cliffhanger was the acting by John Lithgow. What a range that guy has. Ever see "The World According to Garp"? Hard to believe the same guy could play both those parts so well.

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My wife and I investigated this a couple of years ago. Demographically, the south sound would support a indoor climbing gym. We found the ideal location to be in the Hwy. 167 corridor, between Kent & Auburn. Lots of warehouse type space for a V-World type gym. The drawback we saw was the initial investment to build the walls. More than we were willing to commit to. If someone did decide to do this, including Vertical World, I may buy another gym membership.

We're sending you a copy of a major press release from two days ago, on the new General Accounting Office (GAO) Report on the forest fee money trail. The details are scandalous! The Forest Service has been shown to be dangerously unaccountable with respect to its cost of collection figures. It also spent in 2001 what amounts to a $10 million slush fund in appropriated tax dollars (which was never revealed to Congress in the Forest Service's annual Fee Demo reports) in order to secretly triple the program's administration and enforcement budget. It is now clear that - in 2001 - the Forest Service spent $15 million to raise $15 million! At the end are details on calling and/or writing your Congressman and Senators - please take a minute to do so. We need to keep the heat on forest fees as never before. President Bush has called on Congress to make recreation user fees permanent on all federal lands, this year. It is crucial that we keep Congress aware of our strong opposition to permanent fees. NEWLY RELEASED GENERAL ACCOUNTING OFFICE REPORT SLAMS ACCOUNTABILITY OF US FOREST SERVICE FEE DEMO PROGRAM A General Accounting Office (GAO) 40-page report titled "Information on Forest Service Management of Revenue from the Fee Demonstration Program" (2001), requested by Rep. Scott McInnis (R, Western Colorado) and released May 19, 2003, "reveals a deep-seated culture of deception and a total lack of accountability within the US Forest Service's Fee Demo program", say's Scott Silver, Executive Director of Oregon-based, Wild Wilderness. The full report can be downloaded from: http://www.gao.gov/cgi-bin/getrpt?GAO-03-470, highlights can be read at http://www.gao.gov/highlights/d03470high.pdf HERE IS WHAT THE GENERAL ACCOUNTING OFFICE FOUND: The US Forest Service (USFS) has been secretly subsidizing the management of its Fee Demo program with (in 2001) $10 million of appropriated tax dollars (p.32). Costs of fee collection at major Fee Demo "sites" - such as the Southern California "Adventure Pass' and the Oregon and Washington "Northwest Forest Pass" - have been under-reported by concealing hundreds of thousands of dollars in commissions received by pass vendors. (p.25). The USFS has no mechanism for ascertaining whether Fee Demo has lessened the deferred maintenance backlog, which is the very purpose for which Fee Demo was created by Congress in 1996. What's more the GAO concludes that the USFS has no idea how large their maintenance backlog really is! (p.22) "In what amounts to a complete absence of accountability on the part of Fee Demo managers across the nation, the Forest Service has failed to mention in its annual Fee Demo Progress Reports to Congress that (in 2001) close to $10 million was used as a tax-dollar subsidy to administer the program" (p.32) said Robert Funkhouser, President, Colorado-based Western Slope No Fee Coalition. "This alone immediately triples the $5 million which the Forest Service was declaring as the true cost of collection and administration for the program" adds Funkhouser. HOW MUCH FEE DEMO MONEY REALLY GOES TO HELP OUR FORESTS? The Forest Service's reported gross Fee Demo revenue for FY 2001 was over $35 million (p.6). From this figure we must subtract the reported cost of collection, $5,051,000 (p. 9), the $10 million of appropriated funds used to support the fee demonstration program (p.32), and the $4.6 million in user-fees previously collected at sites that produced fee income prior to becoming fee-demonstration sites [i.e., campgrounds, boat launches, etc. (Source: April 2002 Interim Report to Congress on Fee Demo, p.23).] After these adjustments to gross are made, all of Forest Service fee-demo sites in all of the USA generated a total net increase in fee revenues of a mere $15 million. Based upon these figures, "The cost of collection is closer to 50% - requiring more than $15 million to raise less than $15 million," said Funkhouser. "The $15 million adjusted net revenue is likely to still be too high" adds Alasdair Coyne, Director of California-based Keep the Sespe Wild who in June 2002 obtained information about vendor discounts using the Freedom of Information Act. "Vendor discounts for Adventure Passes sold in Southern California resulted in another $288,500 in lost fee-demo revenues. The revenues lost through vendor discounts at other sites throughout the nation are unknown but are likely to be considerable", said Coyne. "Until the General Accounting Office audits the BLM and U. S. Fish and Wildlife Service's Fee Demo programs the amounts of cost of collection and the use of appropriated funds for program management is unclear. The net revenues for the BLM and USFWS combined is less than $4 million" adds Silver. FEE DEMO'S FUTURE IN THE BALANCE The Fee Demo Program was enacted in 1996, extended at least four times and is currently set to expire on September 30, 2004. Legislation to make it permanent did not move forward in 2002. President Bush has once again asked Congress to make these fees permanent but no legislation has yet been introduced in the current session. "Across the nation, forest fees have outraged the American public, who are well aware that tax dollars have maintained our National Forests for over a century, for all Americans to enjoy," said Silver. Forest fee protest groups are active in Arizona, California, Colorado, New Hampshire, Oregon, Washington and other states. The state legislatures of California, Colorado, Oregon and New Hampshire have passed resolutions calling for an end to the Fee Demo program as have dozens of counties, cities and towns across the nation (for details see www.freeourforests.org/opposition.html). "It is time for Congress to terminate this ill-conceived fee program, Americans have already paid taxes to maintain what is theirs. The perverse incentive created by letting the land management agencies appropriate their own funds, outside of congressional oversight, leads to the abuses we see in this report." states Funkhouser. "This GAO Report shows that the Forest Service misled Congress and the American people about the enormous costs involved with forest fees." Silver concludes: "This year Congress must decide the future of Fee Demo in our National Forests. The data revealed by the recent GAO Report show this to be an incredibly inefficient means of raising funds for public lands. The public has rejected Fee Demo and after seven years of the program so should Congress." Congressman McInnis, who is not philosophically opposed to the fees, requested the GAO audit to look into concerns raised by the Western Slope No-Fee Coalition and his constituents regarding the program. PLEASE WRITE YOUR CONGRESSMAN AND SENATORS! Please take a minute to write or call your Congressman and your State's two Senators to demand the immediate end of forest fees! Scroll down for what to say on the phone and a sample letter. Later in the year we'll target particular committees in Congress with our alerts. Your Congressman: Call the Congressional switchboard at (202) 224-3121 to be connected. Letters should be addressed - Congressman..., House of Representatives, Washington DC, 20515. Your Senator: Here's a list of Senators from the major Western States that have forest fees, with their phone numbers and addresses. WESTERN SENATORS CA - Barbara Boxer (202) 224-3553; 112 Hart, Washington, DC 20510 CA - Dianne Feinstein (202) 224-3841; 331 Hart, Washington, DC 20510 OR - Gordon Smith (202) 224-3753; 404 Russell, Washington, DC 20510 OR - Ron Wyden (202) 224-5244; 516 Hart, Washington, DC 20510 WA - Maria Cantwell (202) 224-3441; 717 Hart, Washington, DC 20510 WA - Patty Murray (202) 224-2621; 173 Russell, Washington, DC 20510 ID - Larry Craig (202) 224-2752; 520 Hart, Washington, DC 20510 ID - Michael Crapo (202) 224-6142; 111 Russell, Washington, DC 20510 UT - Robert Bennett (202) 224-5444; 431 Dirksen, Washington, DC 20510 UT - Orrin Hatch (202) 224-5251; 104 Hart, Washington, DC 20510 MT - Max Baucus (202) 224-2651; 511 Hart, Washington, DC 20510 MT - Conrad Burns (202) 224-2644; 187 Dirksen, Washington, DC 20510 CO - Wayne Allard (202) 224-5941; 525 Dirksen, Washington, DC 20510 CO - Ben Nighthorse Campbell (202) 224-5852; 380 Russell, Washington, DC 20510 AZ - Jon Kyl, (202) 224-4521; 730 Hart, Washington, DC 20510 AZ - John McCain (202) 224-2235; 241 Russell, Washington, DC 20510 ON THE PHONE * Tell your Senator or Congressman's staff that you've seen the GAO Report about Fee Demo on our National Forests (the Report's number is GAO-03-470); * Tell them why you're calling about it - (example) The Forest Service is unaccountable for the fee money they've spent. - Forest fees make so little money - and are so unpopular - that they need to be terminated this summer; * BLM and US Fish & Wildlife Service recreation fees must also be terminated. (A brief phone message is adequate.) SAMPLE LETTER (Please vary it somewhat from this sample version!) Dear Senator..., I've seen the GAO Report on the Recreation Fee Demo Program on our National Forests. The program must be terminated this summer on National Forests and on BLM and US Fish & Wildlife Service lands. The Forest Service is not accountable for the money they've raised with forest fees. The Forest Service has been supplementing their fee revenues with $10 million in appropriated tax dollars, which means they spent $15 million in 2001 to raise $15 million, when Congress limited Fee Demo's cost of collection to 15% of revenues. Will you find out for me the total amount of appropriated dollars that the Forest Service has used on forest fees since 1996 and what it was spent on? (Add why you personally oppose forest fees.) Yours, Sincerely, (PLEASE PRINT YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS VERY CLEARLY.)

These guys made the 80's for me. This one is an all time classic: Went to a party I danced all night I drank 16 beers And I started up a fight But now I am jaded You're out of luck I'm rolling down the stairs Too drunk to fuck Any now who did this one?

These guys made the 80's for me. This one is an all time classic: Went to a party I danced all night I drank 16 beers And I started up a fight But now I am jaded You're out of luck I'm rolling down the stairs Too drunk to fuck Any now who did this one?

Rugby Players eat their dead.

Guy gets a new rifle, goes to Alaska to hunt Grizzly. After 2 days of tracking one, he finally gets it in his sights, shoots and kills it. before he has a chance to reach his kill, he feels a tap on his shoulder. It's a big ass grizzly who says "you just shot my cousin. You have two choices. Either I maul you to death right here and now, or I have rough grizlzy sex with you". The hunter thinks it over for a split second and makes like Ned Beatty in Deliverance. The grizzly has his way with him for hours. He returns home, wounded and ashamed. After a few months of recovery, he plots his revenge. He goes out, gets a more powerful gun and gets ready to head back to Alaska. Upon his arrival, he heads out to the same vicinity as his last hunt. His plan is to stalk and kill the grizzly that put him to shame. After 2 weks, he believes he has found the bear. He gets it in his sights, fires and drops the bear. A few seconds later, there is a tap on his shoulder. It's that bear. He shot the wrong one. The bear says "you just killed my best friend. You have two choices, either I maul you to death, or I get o have rough grizzly sex with you". Not wanting to die, the hunter drops his drawers and assumes the position. The bear has his way with him again. Returning home, more ashamed than the last time, the hunter begins plotting his revenge. He burns the bears image into his memory, He goes out and buys the biggest most powerful rifle made. He trains, takes tracking classes and pronounces himself ready. After arriving in Alaska, his resolve greater than ever, he begins his hunt. After a month, and several close encounters, he finds the bear that he is absolutely positive is the one who has defiled him. He tracks the bear for another two weeks, and sets him up for the kill. As the bear begins to pull salmon out of a stream, he picks up his gun, aims and fires. The bear stands up, then falls over, dead as a doornail. "Revenge is mine!!!!!" screams the hunter. All of a sudden, there is a tap on his shoulder and hears the bears voice say "you really don't come here for the hunting, do you?"

Guy gets a new rifle, goes to Alaska to hunt Grizzly. After 2 days of tracking one, he finally gets it in his sights, shoots and kills it. before he has a chance to reach his kill, he feels a tap on his shoulder. It's a big ass grizzly who says "you just shot my cousin. You have two choices. Either I maul you to death right here and now, or I have rough grizlzy sex with you". The hunter thinks it over for a split second and makes like Ned Beatty in Deliverance. The grizzly has his way with him for hours. He returns home, wounded and ashamed. After a few months of recovery, he plots his revenge. He goes out, gets a more powerful gun and gets ready to head back to Alaska. Upon his arrival, he heads out to the same vicinity as his last hunt. His plan is to stalk and kill the grizzly that put him to shame. After 2 weks, he believes he has found the bear. He gets it in his sights, fires and drops the bear. A few seconds later, there is a tap on his shoulder. It's that bear. He shot the wrong one. The bear says "you just killed my best friend. You have two choices, either I maul you to death, or I get o have rough grizzly sex with you". Not wanting to die, the hunter drops his drawers and assumes the position. The bear has his way with him again. Returning home, more ashamed than the last time, the hunter begins plotting his revenge. He burns the bears image into his memory, He goes out and buys the biggest most powerful rifle made. He trains, takes tracking classes and pronounces himself ready. After arriving in Alaska, his resolve greater than ever, he begins his hunt. After a month, and several close encounters, he finds the bear that he is absolutely positive is the one who has defiled him. He tracks the bear for another two weeks, and sets him up for the kill. As the bear begins to pull salmon out of a stream, he picks up his gun, aims and fires. The bear stands up, then falls over, dead as a doornail. "Revenge is mine!!!!!" screams the hunter. All of a sudden, there is a tap on his shoulder and hears the bears voice say "you really don't come here for the hunting, do you?"

We definately lost an original yesterday. My sympathies to his family and friends.

A guy took a 60' fall on Del Campo, was helo'd off sustained multiple fractures to both legas and an arm. Another guy was hiking in the Perry Creek Drainage and broke hi ankle. He was packed out overnight. That about sums it up.

Want to get the cops out there in a hurry? Try this method: A man was going up to bed, when his wife told him he'd left the light on in the garden shed - she could see it from the bedroom window. But he said that he hadn't been in the shed that day. He looked himself, and there were people in the shed, stealing things. He rang the police, but they told him that no one was in his area, so no one was available to catch the thieves. He said OK, hung up, counted to 30 and rang the police again. "Hello. I just rang you a few seconds ago because there were people in my shed? Well, you don't have to worry about them now, I've just shot them all." Within five minutes there were half a dozen police cars in the area, an Armed Response unit, the works. Of course, they caught the burglars red-handed. One of the policemen said to this man: "I thought you said you'd shot them!" He replied, "I thought you said there were no cops available!"

quote: Originally posted by Retrosaurus: quote:Originally posted by Thinker: ...recovering Mounties... ? Is there a 12-step program for that? They are fairly easy to spot. Those in early recovery wear their helmets with their name and last initial written on masking tape. It's an anonymous program, ya know?

Wait a minute! Is/was this the "Wilber" who 1st started the HC trend when his pet horse started talkinh too much?

quote: Originally posted by Greg W: . Doug - "WHO THE FUCK IS/WAS HE?!?!?!?" You insensitive Prick; this is a time of mourning. Greg W Cheers, old buddy. Insensitive Prick?!?!? Some people just mourn differently than others "WHO THE FUCK WAS/IS HE" was more of a rhetorical quetion.

I can't believe it!! Wilber is gone!?!?! Oh my god, he was such an inspiration, a man amongst men, a stellar climber. I will never forget all that he meant to me. I'll neve be able to look at an alcohol stove again without thinking of him Oh by the way, WHO THE FUCK IS/WAS HE?!?!?!?

Years ago I was living in a condo (irrelavent). An old college buddy (Ed) began dating a gal I knew who lived in my building. Another old college bud (Guy) ran into Ed's ex-girlfriend and she asked guy if he would return some of Ed's stuff to him for her. Some of this stuff incuded a set of key's to Ed's car. Now Ed's relationship was really beginning to blossom, and he was spending the night at his girlfriend's place on a fairly regular basis. Guy and I cooked up a plan to mess with our old buddy. I took the set of keys and a couple of times per week, late at night, I would move his car at first 10 feet or so (parked on the street). Sometimes, if we parked in a guest parking spot, I'd move it to another. At first, Ed was acting funny, like something was amiss and he either couldn't figure it out, or didn't want to admit it. After the next couple of bold moves (across the street) he began to get a little irritated After he began talking about it and was convinced someone was fucking with him, we finally fessed up. So, ehmic, could this be happening to you?

10 days into September and we get our first Freshiez!!!!!!! Post. Gotta be a record. Ran into some of those on Saturday just above Pebble Creek.

quote: Originally posted by Charlie: [/qb] Are you refering to my insurance agent R*y?[/QB] No, I had a "friend" who went into the mortgage biz a few years ago. Wouldn't give you the time of day, then we get this letter in the mail insinuating that we're old buddies and I should drop by the office.

Hey what the hell Snoop Charlie Dogg, At least you're not blasting out solicitation letters to anyone who's been in your address book in the last 20 years. So what are the rates today, and will they change between now and the time someone walks into the office?

Hugh Jess, Sir, you have issues. Maybe a little well placed HC is in order?

Hugh Jess, Sir, you have issues. Maybe a little well placed HC is in order?

Why do Rednecks have sex doggie style? So that they can both watch NASCAR on TV.

quote: Originally posted by trask: someone's sporting an extremely large clitoris I guess that depend on your standards.