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let people? hood has nothing of the restrictions that rainier has. you can solo all the live long day on mt hood as far as 'they' is concerned. no fees no climbing rangers etc

i've wondered about using heat shrink tubing on tools? has anyone done this? pros/cons? found some stuff like this: Neoprene heat shrink tubing and a clear abrasion resistant version: http://cableorganizer.com/heat-shrink/heat-shrink-PVDF.htm

majormajor, i might be up for something too. dependent on weather more than anything, though i asked a few friends about doing some non-climbing stuff and am waiting to hear back still.

yeah, add to it, this guy who lives at government camp and trains around mt. hood. Take a look through more of his pictures. I sent a link to my cousin in chicago and he said "not the type of guy you want to startle."

is that a person getting shot and the blood spray turning into butterflies?

john rattie: first law of the jungle: when you openly put something out there in a sincere/open way that leaves one open to criticism, scorn, or or ridicule - people will be dicks, especially if they can be so at a distance. dont worry about it. not worth your time. I'm sure the tattoo guy is a fine individual. Almost anyone here talking shit here wouldn't say hoot to his face, plain and simple.

nice. my pops was in town from out east visiting for the weekend at the tail end of a business trip to cali. i took him up to t-line on Sunday afternoon/evening for the first time and some snowshoeing and brought along a pair of binocs so he could check out the upper mountain. Saw your beautiful tracks coming out of the pearly gates chutes!

should be able to display it at selected vendors for at least 50% off BD ice climbing gear.

I use the latok alpine and love it myself. Works great. After 1 season there is a spot or two on the shoulders that look a little thinner from the inside. Otherwise it seems quite durable. How long you been using yours rokizgud?

I ordered the hammer yesterday--figured they'd sell fast. Also as a heads up, you can get 10% cashback if you shop for them through bing. Go to bing shopping then click the link to stores>EMS...setup a bing account. Its 'free' money as far as I'm concerned. I doltishly forgot to go through bing when ordering the hammer and when I tried to re-order it later that evening and cancel the first order, they were already sold out. Right now I've got $7.65 or something coming back from an ice screw I bought for a friend back in December.

thanks for the link. anyone have any two cents on comparing the aztar to the grivel matrix light hammer? Looking for an alpine tool, not planning on any straight-up ice climbing with it. Thoughts? sage Dane? hehe

dangerous? shopping bags and water can be dangerous too.. did you look at any of the short videos on the zeroloft website? I guess if it doesn't breathe worth a damn in a jacket or pants it could be dangerous, but, you'd be aware of that before setting off to conquer olympus mons, right? The stuff has some obvious insulating properties that are indeed pretty impressive at least in the laboratory. Now ultimately it may not work on getting them into every, or even many forms of outdoor gear. Does the idea sound cool at all to you? I can think of a fair amount of applications where the insulation would be wonderful vapor permeable or not (sleeping pad). I'd love to see how small it could roll down/durability/longevity/etc.

holy hell, if one is to believe it, that is some impressive stuff! for some more info without as much of the stupid flash webpage barely readable impossible to navigate hpye: http://www.zeroloft.com/ The everest trip will test it pretty well, I imagine

can this fucking thread get moved to fucking spray already??

i am going to say 35-40 liter size. What is most important to you in a pack--comfort, weight, features? Does Cilo gear make a 40 liter pack? I'm too lazy to go check.. I know they have a 30 and a 45 you could probably pass with the smaller one if you pack light/small.

goddamn can the columbia river gorge forum area just be a sub area inside of spray???????

hell yeah! nice TR -- As much as the mountains you climb, finding the right people to climb with is as important. turning around short of the summit is nothing to be embarrassed about - summits aren't going anywhere (well, almost none of them are..st helens ).

i'll hear you on this in regards to political agendas. And those aspects of Christianity you focus on are real and are quite negative, though it seems to eschews a lot of the good done through the conduit of churches. I'm not convinced, but is it plausible people like Dawkins reinforce religious types that they are under attack, and help to galvanize their support? I guess I maintain seeing a balance between the horrors of organized religion (but one not need that to be zealous and misguided, though believing a 'big man' in the sky wants things done certainly is more powerful than a big man behind a podium (political)) and the valuable contributions that church-organizations do make. I've been to some pretty multi-cultural, open churches that do a lot of good without pushing political agendas that limit anyone's rights or attempt to influence anyone's beliefs. While much of the positive things done through churches could just as well be done through volunteerism outside of church, if the church is the conduit for the good to happen so be it, I'm not one to complain (thinking of some Presbyterian churches I have been to-I'll be honest I'm not even sure if some of the people I've gone with really believe in god, but they sure as hell spend a lot of time helping out and doing positive things for the community through the church-raising money for environmental initiatives, promoting community health events, coat drives, food drives, etc). Dawkins and others can intellectualize and try to quantify net positives and net negatives from religion, but I would like to see what his contributions have mustered that compare to the positives of some churches.

while I find hard-core religious types intent on pushing their world view, living in black and white absolutes, revulsive and plainly ignorant (6000 year old world), I have even less respect for atheistic zealots like richard dawkins. For masses who have simplistic fundamentalist beliefs, I can comprehend that many have not had the education, life-stability, ease of life, or opportunities to develop more comprehensive worldviews. I find the active crusade against and belittlement of religion and spirituality to which the likes of Dawkins and certain others have taken upon to be downright embarrassing. Borat was more respectful than Maher. I would place the onus of responsibility and maturity on the worldly university academic to have developed, in addition to a reasoned intellectual position, an emotional and communication style capable of reaching said people they 'preach' against, and a way to go about their business without resorting to the same zealous single-minded focus that the people they speak against use, thinking in absolutes about religion. In their attitude and communication it is implied if you don't agree completely with their view, you are wrong, stupid, misguided. disclosure: i am not religious, but ascribe to a neo-jungian/transpersonal approach

swedish bikini team (it should be a given)

this thread is spray if you want to use your mind when not actually climbing or reading or doing anything climbing related, I'd visualize and do positive thinking loops about success and accomplishing things that seem impossible, etc, and not worry about religion. my personal take after too much time swimming through jungian readings and process is that the only "divinity" that exists is that within you, which is also within everyone. everything is reflection of your inner`ness: "my heart is in the universe, the universe is in my heart. my heart is in the earth, the earth is in my heart"

nah, most IS the operative word, as far as southside climbers go in the past year+

Paul “Woody” Woodward, president of the Alpine Rescue Team: Woodward just got a PLB himself. “I think they’re a good tool,” he said. “If I was going solo on an extended trip, I might want to take it. If something happened on day four of a 12-day trip, no one might know for eight days that I was even missing.”

With all my auto insurance since I started driving, the standard collision and comprehensive and all those that you normally get don't cover 'items' inside (other than radio, and only the price of the stereo that came with, not if you installed some sort of system). There might be some sort of rider you can get specifically, for instance if you're a contractor and have tools in your vehicle a lot? -- But otherwise comprehensive does not cover non-car items. I have confirmed this with State Farm (michigan), Farmers, Amica, and one or two other insurance companies, because I have not always gotten renters insurance and was told about what was and wasn't covered when I would try to get some clarity about paying for the comprehensive coverage. maybe it is different in other states, and maybe your insurance agent was cool, but generally comprehensive does not cover stolen non-auto items in your vehicle. http://www.carinsurance.com/kb/content37292.aspx

mazama class = portland metro area (unless you're communiting from salem or kelso or something).