LostCamKenny

that seems to happen to you a lot, dude

stranger things have happened. good point bill

Well, if you or anyone else somehow thinks that I don't want it open... i know you want it open just a bad as i do, joe

You have to be careful to clear about what you are talking about. There is the overall park management plan, there are individual project management plans, there is the Peregrine management plan, and there is the climbing management plan. Justin's reference above is above is to the park's overall management plan. The Peregrine management plan isn't approved or run by the BRSP, but rather by the WFDF. Definitely. If you're speaking about me, then that would be entirely inaccurate. not speaking of you but you're not far off, dood...

Hey Justin... What up with your obsession with Beacon, when I know you got so much climbing closer to home!! You seem like the black sheep when everone else really is stuck in the hell of PDX. Just a friendly question maybe he's just been turned to the dark side of the force tyler? or maybe it's cuz we're all so fawking kewl up here? definitely the latter, ivan!

closing from ground zero, west to jensens for a period for the birds would be acceptable to me if it meant that everything east of ground zero, and west of jensens were open if not the whole year than at least 9 months. with the birds around this would seem like a trade-off that i could accept pretty easily as a climber. as an emp. i can't really say since it isn't my department. the birds are there - that is a most unfortunate fact for the climber. but if the only possibility of getting more than six months to climb out there is to agree not to expect to ever have it year round again, then fine... get nine months instead. its still more than six.

that could be a fun party - unless it's like the commenting period option that arthur dent got in the hitchhiker's guide prior to the earth's demolition for an interstellar freeway ivan, even doug adams would say "WTF" to that post!

HINT, HINT, everyone... the time to speak up is NOW! if climbers EVER hope to have more than july-to-february climbing at beacon rock then this is where it starts. the voice needs to be of MANY! the observations of the birds done by the few can only help so much. the rest of the support for a better climbing future must come from the voices of those who climb there. if you climb there, even a little, then you should be speaking up and communicating your opinions for climbing. the only way anything will ever be changed is with many voices. if you accept what is as the be-all, end-all of the climbing plan at beacon rock then you are just laying down and giving up. anyone who tells you that climbing at beacon for 9 months out of the year is an unrealistic future is either too pessimistic about the chances of it or is just too accepting of what the authorities tell them and unwilling to form their OWN opinion. i hope that there are more supporters of this cause out there than just the few that spray here... it's gonna take waaaaaaay more voices!

wikipedia?!? i had professors in college that said that wasn't an actual source for bibliography

i'm not positive that any of us knows what will be gained by our doing this. a clearer picture of blah, blah, blah, blah, technical talk, biological jargon, blah, blah, blah, yada, yada, yada... pretty sure that dfw doesn't care what we see - its all up to them(us, i suppose, since i am counted among them). joseph's monitoring activities, while noble, are not biologically based or rooted in an actual study or ongoing body of research, and neither are mine. they are private observations given to dfw and dfw will do with them whatever they want - probably put them on the district biologist's desk where they can get lost until late july. the district biologist is a busy guy and i'm pretty sure that he gives little worry to what we care about as climbers - to include what the birds are doing. this doesn't mean that we should stop looking or observing. quite the contrary, actually. we should be as informed as we possibly can when the birds are concerned! the more you know the better able you are to debate the subject. being informed is the best thing one can do for themselves in this situation.

how you like that tent, clam?

kevin, see here... http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sarcasm

this is true... one mine and one of his own!!!

the birds like to avoid the crowds at fuckbucks so they are usually active in the morning after their triple shot machiato with whipped cream, nutmeg and sprinkles

then you'd have to retire the thing after use

yeah, strange... usually my iron gut takes it all and doesn't complain. not this time! HEY LASH, WHAT THE F&@K IS UP? THAT THAI FOOD REALLY TORE ME UP SOMETHING FIERCE LATER ON TUESDAY AFTERNOON! I found out that it is under new ownership-hehaw hehaw!!

HEY LASH, WHAT THE F&@K IS UP? THAT THAI FOOD REALLY TORE ME UP SOMETHING FIERCE LATER ON TUESDAY AFTERNOON!

i have been in a similar situation except the rock took out my belayer and threatened to pull me off the route i was on... scary!!!

su-weeeeeeeeeeeeeet! had some nice weather, too.

thanks so much for the report - condolences to the family!

huh? you must be mistaken, dood - there ain't no jokin here! this is terrible. i can't hardly imagine how his family feels right now, not to mention his partner. shit, maybe you should have made fun of him then - how many times has the cornice warning been sounded? many times, eh?

huh? you must be mistaken, dood - there ain't no jokin here! this is terrible. i can't hardly imagine how his family feels right now, not to mention his partner.

you mean... like a really fast car with no top?

http://www.kgw.com/news/Climber-falls-into-Mount-St-Helens-crater-84413927.html#comments His name is Joseph Bohlig - let's just hope he get's outta there today!