LostCamKenny

oh, is that it... i thought you just tripped that time

bet the wall rats can take the free climbers in a drink off as long as joseph doesn't bring any tequilla

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sure

Is that the new BD body harness? Where is the tie in loop? its my alpine back brace... light weight and packs down small. my other one is bigger, built for the rigors of aiding in the full conditions.

be the "town crier..." great fun!

you can be in the center, eh

ok, i explain... no there is too much. i summarize... prince humperdink is going to marry buttercup in little less than half an hour...

you could not be more right!

she sold em today and i missed gettin em by about an hour - to who ever it is that beat me to it, "you sir are an asshole!"

this is why i started aiding... this is the same philosophy that i want to avoid at farside - the ozone standard...

interesting - now we actually have something less heated than the fiasco we had earlier in this thread... i don't think that was on my mind originally, but since you brought it up i'll elaborate. of all the FA that i have done - and they have all been at farside - they always required extensive cleaning, meaning that i had to rap down and take care of the bigger shit and trundle some stuff the size of basketballs and barbeques. i thought briefly about what i was doing and the length of time that such objects had been in place before i had disturbed them from their resting places, but those thoughts were quite fleeting. what really got me thinking was when i started to ponder how long it had been since the rock i uncovered had seen the actual light of day, and in most cases i bet it was quite a long time. uncovering history - or as i liked to say to myself, going back in time - is the way i rationalized it. it was necessary if the line was to be climbed, but it was a disturbance nonetheless so you could say that i upset the natural order of things by cleaning it. but we are climbers and in order for us to climb we look at what is needed to ascend the rock - for mine i needed rock, first and i uncovered a lot of it - enough that by the time both adam and i finished cleaning our lines we had a really cool system of platforms at the base that make for an interesting place to hang out while belaying... anyway... if one does a line and cleans it enough so that it could see some traffic (providing that it would be interesting enough to repeat) then keeping it clean isn't really all that hard. since i put up my lines at farside i have used them as a quick way to descend to the base and have brushed away stuff on my way down. when a line is clean it appears more appealing just because you don't have to fight with the brush or the moss, or whatever grows on or nearby the route. for the route to slip away and become abandoned or forgotten it would have to grow over so badly that to clean it would almost be repeating the actions to do the FA all over again. two of my FA are so terribly dangerous that i wouldn't recommend that anyone go do them unless they are really soft in their slippers, since the loose stuff is so large that dislodging them would/could be catastrophic to the belayer, but since i view climbing as a form of exploration, adventure and discovery about myself and my environment the cleaning i did was well worth the time, regardless if the line ever gets repeated. if you are looking for a heady, mini, 50 foot adventure then my route(s) is/are well worth it, but in my own mind they were purely about doing something that had never been done before and finding out if i had what it took to do it. i don't repeat the route too much. i do climb it once in a while albeit not out of a sense of duty (though that is as good a reason as any i have ever heard) but to remember the trepidation and excitement that i felt the first time i was leading it. and at one point it will slip into obscurity, regardless of how much i do it or how clean i can make it...

diversity is the spice of life... do everything at least once! Almost everything. yeah, ok... almost everything

diversity is the spice of life... do everything at least once!

cj~ personally, ozone reminds me too much of a gym, and i grew out of the gym scene. climbing for me is more about the adventure and less about sheer difficulty, which is what i feel that gyms push on newer climbers - climb as hard as you can and always strive to push the limits of difficulty. i feel this way when i climb at ozone because the top of many climbs is a couple of drilled bolts which are placed below the actual top of many routes. i like summits, pure and simple, and ozone has no actual summit for me. this is not to say that one cannot develop themselves at this crag because that is absolutely not true... take yourself for example, huh? farside is less developed which adds a bit more appeal to me since i don't know as much what to expect there, and dirty - to me - is much more like undiscovered country and thus far more exciting - for me. in the grand scheme of things there is little that actually differentiates ozone from farside, though jim will smack me for saying that! there are some things i like about farside better than ozone and vice versa, i suppose. definitely traffic has a lot to do with it too - ozone is POPULAR and i got into climbing because i wanted to avoid what was common or popular... doing something unique rather than be a lemming following the masses... plus, i have many other more interesting ventures elsewhere (besides farside, too). if farside were to grow over then it would just take a few motivated guys to go out there and do a little housework to bring it back - not hard... farside, since it is still awaiting lots more development, is a great place for training, and practicing techniques that you might use on longer, greater adventures. some plans that i have heard jim speak of are really interesting and worth pursuing further, though i'm not sure how much of a hand i'll have in any of it myself. there are those who think it hypocritical to do some projects there and then scorn others (as you have read on this thread) but mainly it is the ability to have an open mind that will allow these projects to see completion... i don't hold it against anyone who likes or even loves either of these places, and i will go to both throughout the course of the year, but i don't go to either as much as i go to beacon which is where i'll spend most of my time... i'd much rather spend my days doing lap after lap on the corner (when it opens, that is) than go to ozone or farside, regardless of how much closer either are!

debatable...

kevbone needs to get out and actually climb some more before he gets that title... (love ya kev, but its true )

New, or used? I'd think used would stick to the trees better... both...

tyler, you have said it better than anyone else so far

justinp will sound off about his opinion and he will try to take the high road, too, i'm sure - not trying to speak for him or anything, just that's the way i know him. good guy!

Yes they are. Behind the scenes. i read the thread to jim and he didn't debate the fact to me... i think he would have chimed in right away if he had disagreed - especially with me telling him this!

i don't think anyone is debating that, dude. mistake or not, there needs to be better communication since it appears there are many an interested party. that's an idea - lets have a party!!! kev, put the kids to bed early and lets get trashed and forget all this nonsense!

It's caused by eating to many radio active fish from the Columbia River... dude, don't you take the girls fishing out there?

i start work again on friday so i'll see you then! woohooo!