kevino

Nope. Not at all.

In no particular order: -living and skiing at alpental -exploring new mountains for climbing and skiing outside of spokane -keiths hut trip/skiing some awesome lines in the coast range -starting PA school aka putting me back in my place -skiing powder by moonlight

Yes: TR Awesome. I must have missed that one since I was in canada land then. Glad I could help with setting the skin track. It was windy as all hell when we were up there above the lake, so no surprise my skin track was gone. Side note, good chance I'll be living in Wenatchee later this year while doing my clinical rotations so hopefully we can get out then. Also, you know an Adam than owns/runs a gym in Wenatchee? Met him up at Keith's hut in BC, cool guy.

Hey John, got pictures from #5?

Merry christmas alpine climbers, go get some

You do realize this is the skiing section of cc.com right?

black diamond arc rab latok some belay glove you're set.

Whoops! I had my serious hat on for this discussion.

I only posted the abstract here because most people are not going to read and understand the entire research article. I'm also not sure of the legality of posting an entire journal article that requires a paid subscription. I'm not sure if the second part of your rant is directed at me, but if you'll notice the articles I posted are in favor of vaccinations and actually support your point in regards to the general public's knowledge level and how it is inappropriately based on bias media sources. Additionally, my first post in this thread contained pro-vaccine discussion and also touched on public misconception. I am not hiding from the truth, which is why I posted peer reviewed research based journal articles from a reputable journal database, PubMed. article one article two

I was probably the only one dumb enough to hike in there early season for the last two years!

I don't expect to change anyone's mind - especially since you're not a patient of mine. There is research out there that can be quoted and used to support whatever you want.

amazing how this thread is still going...now talk about mercury? Since Kimmo loves quoting articles: From the Oxford Journal of Health Research Education The effect of falsely balanced reporting of the autism-vaccine controversy on vaccine safety perceptions and behavioral intentions. Abstract Controversy surrounding an autism-vaccine link has elicited considerable news media attention. Despite being widely discredited, research suggests that journalists report this controversy by presenting claims both for and against a link in a relatively 'balanced' fashion. To investigate how this reporting style influences judgments of vaccine risk, we randomly assigned 320 undergraduate participants to read a news article presenting either claims both for/against an autism-vaccine link, link claims only, no-link claims only or non-health-related information. Participants who read the balanced article were less certain that vaccines are safe, more likely to believe experts were less certain that vaccines are safe and less likely to have their future children vaccinated. Results suggest that balancing conflicting views of the autism-vaccine controversy may lead readers to erroneously infer the state of expert knowledge regarding vaccine safety and negatively impact vaccine intentions. The combined measles, mumps, and rubella vaccines and the total number of vaccines are not associated with development of autism spectrum disorder: the first case-control study in Asia. Abstract OBJECTIVE: The aim of this study was to investigate the relationship between autism spectrum disorder (ASD) and general vaccinations, including measles-mumps-rubella (MMR) vaccine, in Japanese subjects, a population with high genetic homogeneity. PATIENTS AND METHODS: A case-control study was performed. Cases (n=189) were diagnosed with ASD, while controls (n=224) were volunteers from general schools, matched by sex and birth year to cases. Vaccination history and prenatal, perinatal, and neonatal factors from the Maternal and Child Health handbook, which was part of each subject's file, were examined. To determine the relationship between potential risk factors and ASD, crude odds ratios (ORs) and 95% confidence intervals (95% CIs) were calculated, and the differences in mean values of the quantitative variables between cases and controls were analyzed using an unpaired t-test. Moreover, MMR vaccination and the effect of the number of vaccine injections were investigated using a conditional multiple regression model. RESULTS: For MMR vaccination, the OR was 1.04 (95% CI, 0.65-1.68), and no significant differences were found for the other vaccines. For all of the prenatal, perinatal and neonatal factors, there were no significant differences between cases and controls. Furthermore, regarding the presence of ASD, MMR vaccination and the number of vaccine injections had ORs of 1.10 (95% CI, 0.64-1.90) and 1.10 (95% CI, 0.95-1.26), respectively, in the conditional multiple regression model; no significant differences were found. CONCLUSIONS: In this study, there were not any convincing evidences that MMR vaccination and increasing the number of vaccine injections were associated with an increased risk of ASD in a genetically homogeneous population. Therefore, these findings indicate that there is no basis for avoiding vaccination out of concern for ASD.

Looks like a nice spot. I'm assuming you're living in Missoula, or nearby? I'm trying to get a clinical rotation out there next year and would love to hear what you think about the city, climbing, skiing, etc. Thanks.

And here are some pictures I took of fellow climbers on friday (Andy and Anna). let me know if you want the full size image and the guys from Montana whose name I didn't catch

Just got back from a quick two days. Climbed twin falls left and right and the dribbles. All are in fine shape, albeit on the thinner side. Take all of the following with a grain of salt, as I'm happy to stand corrected, but just going off of my observations, pictures and climbers I talked to These climbs are in for sure: -twin falls left and right -the dribbles -g1, though wet -g2 -hangover these climbs are probably in (from pictures/observations): -silken falls -over easy/curtains area -responsible family man had quite a bit of ice, but i don't know these climbs not in (from pictures observations -avalanche gulch (lower pitches formed, upper not) -cleo's needle -solstice and equinox -most of the unnamed and black magic wall looked poor -amphitheater climbs

It was on altrec but I just checked and its no longer at that price.

Yo Colin, not sure how much you're looking to spend but I picked mine up here, at a fairly good price for brand new http://gearx.com/la-sportiva-batura-evo-boots.html PS. you're in the wrong forum

For continuity, I found a steal of a deal for $56 on the centrifuge so i picked one up. will report back but based off of others' reports, i suspect i'll be pleased

Zoran - I have no problems with bright colors. I usually have a hat of some sort, so having no hood, for a piece like this isn't a deal breaker. Have you actually used that jacket? Thanks for the info Julian.

sportiva does make some interesting stuff. this is more like what i'm thinking of: http://www.lasportiva.com/synopsis_jkt.html?&L=1#.UKlZYYb4Igp

Interesting the direction this thread took. Fromage was the one who brought up the alpha comp and shells. These are not supposed to be all purpose shells, its suppose to be a lightweight hoody that will provide good wind and mild precip protection during high output activities (skinning, uphill approaches to climbs). The First Ascent hoody looks ok, but blows it by adding insulation to it. Excess weight and bulk to me. My body will be producing heat, so much so I want super breathable material on it, not insulation. Notice how the OR hoody has a back panel of breathable material? Thats more of the design I was talking about.

And to get this thread back on track...from sunday in the Beartooths: cali ice...thin and not quite in (to us anyway). the closer you get, the wetter and more scary it gets

I'll give them something to do! I'm not planning on heading out there for another 8 days, so I have some time. Still looks cold according to the weather station: http://www.mtavalanche.com/weather/hyalite

Will you introduce me to these women when I'm out there next week?