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Well spoken as always Jayb. I'm even willing to give folks who want to spew that the nutritional value is higher the benefit of the doubt. Frankly, I remember buying some organic Oranges at natures once, that tasted so good that my kids and I ate them all and immediately went back and bought another sack most of which we ate immediately. The taste was so significantly better it would be hard not to believe it to have more nutrients than the nearly unpalatable bland cardboard masquerading as oranges at the Safeway store. If someone cannot separate taste and nutritional content, I can live with it. Like you, what ever floats folks boats. I think separating out the various health risks of organic or not as it relates to food may be the more prudent approach. Antibiotics, for example, may have different health risks than growth Hormones and pesticides, and it seems clear that there are huge and widespread health issues in the process of cropping up from this practice. Here's some links of scientific consensus starting to form. Perhaps the evidence is less than startling conclusive, yet if you could avoid unwanted antibiotics from possibly screwing up our children, wouldn't you want that? New England Journal of Medicine articals www.cals.ncsu.edu/waste_mgt/natlcenter/sanantonio/Ohl.ppt http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/meat/safe/overview.html opps, looks like my 2nd link, which is a powerpoint presentation, didn't take and will be cut and past for you. Here are the abstracts for anyone to look up. * White DG, Zhao S, Suler R et al. The isolation of antibiotic-resistant salmonella from retail ground meats. N Engl J Med 2001;345:1147-54. Abstract * McDonald LC, Rossiter S, Mackinson C et al. Quinupristin-Dalfopristin-Resistant Enterococcus faecium on Chicken and in Human Stool Specimens. N Engl J Med 2001;345:1155-60. Abstract * Sørensen TL, Blom M, Monnet DL et al. Transient Intestinal Carriage after Ingestion of Antibiotic-Resistant Enterococcus faecium from Chicken and Pork. N Engl J Med 2001;345:1161-6. Abstract Have you tried the public restrooms at Volunteer Park? Cuz you are exceptionally adept at publicly sucking the cocks of your favorite 'alpha males'.

No, 'mainsteam environmentalism' does not rely on any Malthusian approach; it focuses on the sustained environmental and cultural health of local communities. Nonetheless, overpopulation is a major factor in many countries, including our own (although our wealth buffers us from some of the more immediate results), although it seems to be a politically taboo topic. JayB's arguments assume infinite resources...but even that fantasy has and will continue to produce a disastrous outcome in the form of unfavorable climate change, among other things. Getting tangled in the details of which study does or doesn't prove is a pleasant parlor game but that's all it is. Making personal consumption decisions based on promoting the sustainable health of local communities actually produces real results in the right direction, for both human beings and the environment. It's a values, not a data, thing.

I love climbing with the new generation: I've never bootied so many brand new dyneema sewn runners and wired stoppers...never have to buy those things anymore.

People are also starving around the world because they are too many...which is largely a public policy, not agricultural, issue. The idea that we need to overdrive and destroy the soil now (pretty much the definition of the so called Green Revolution), at the expense of future generations, because certain nations a) can't seem to resolve their ongoing civil wars and b) aren't willing to take on much needed family planning policies, is, on it's face, moronic. Human beings: subject to the same population growth/resource constraints as any other species. Not exactly a surprise, there, at least to some of us.

So shuddup and die already.

You're outside the inside joke.

From the looks of 'im, Dawg has no problem with bolts served up this way.

Dey deezined dis place, too:

Hey, Rocky, try burying summa them nuts sum time.

This dark piece marked the nader of Goya's career.

AKA, gittin r done!

Proof positive that bolters eat their own children.

Shot just before the video. These boys come in loaded, and leave empty. Hmmmmm.....

Your tax dollars at work doing...er...something. Looks cool anyway. 2 days before we were passed (at too far a range for photos) by a Trident flanked by 2 enormous tenders and 2 cutters. Now there's a expensive, cool toy with nothin' much to do...

Shot a few minutes later when the second cruise ship came by. Busy day in Admirably Inlet. In the background: a fast attack sub and shadowing coast guard cutter.

Just to spice up yet another boring-as-shit JayB troll, here's a clip from my recent trip to Sequim and back with my friend Dave, who delivers organic produce via engineless sailboat to consumers in Seattle. Dave was below getting some much needed sleep while I shot this video. We were clocking nearly 8 knots with no wind and no motor. The interesting part came a few minutes later: dodging 3 cruise ships with almost no steerage: [video:youtube]JtynwlUPxic

I've put in about ten bolts in my time. I'm happy to say, the retaining wall is still standing.

The Green Revolution (the agribusiness food production model this paid advertisement study attempts to promote) = unprecedented increase in the rate of irreplaceable topsoil loss. Average topsoil loss in agricultural areas now equals that in the alpine regions (and yes, this is a new thing), thanks to the overfarming practices of the Green Revolution. It was a bad idea when it started and it's an even worse one now. The main objective of the organic food movement never was to produce healthier and more nutritious food, although it certainly does that, rather, it was to bring back sustainable, environmentally healthy farming practices as part of an overall movement to stem the tide of arable land destruction wrought by corporate farming. Having said that, anyone who grows their own food veggies can tell you the stark difference in flavor and nutrition between fresh, organically grown stuff and the diaper loads on sale at Safeway. But sustainability is one concept that continues to escape JayB's comprehension.

Yeah. Doze guyz.

Bolt Nazi or Bolt Zombie? You decide.

Wrapped up.

Yeah, wish it was mine. The Homesteads designed it. It's a shot of the Dunn Gardens Artwalk, with junk by yours truly spoiling the view.