Mr_Phil

Requiring drivers licenses hasn't stopped auto accidents. It's illegal to drive while drunk, but people still do it, and kill others in accidents. It's just as stupid to talk on the cell phone while driving, but people still do it, and kill others in accidents. There are no easy answers.

Quite the religious experience.

That would have to be Shae Marks. BIRTHPLACE: New Orleans, Louisiana USA BUST: 34" D WAIST: 23" HIPS: 34" HEIGHT: 5' 4" WEIGHT: 105 lbs AMBITIONS: Earn a journalism degree, work in entertainment. Enter the national Jet Ski competition. TURN-ONS: Convertible Porsches, men in suits, sushi, volleyball at the beach, working out. TURNOFFS: People without ambition, rush hour traffic, overconfident men. MAD, MADDER, MADDEST: Bad pick up lines, overstyled hair, assuming I've said yes before I have. NEVER AGAIN: Will I be afraid to speak my mind or speak up for myself. ONE THING I'M NOT: A housekeeper! Don't clean, can't cook. I'll do the books, you do the laundry.

Oh the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irony of it all.

What?!? Is Layton on Big Four again?

Is there a place in the Cascades that you couldn't be rescued by NOLs graduates which requires passing through a speed trap to get there?

The goal of life isn't not to die, because we will all fail at this.

Ok, now we're getting somewhere. Mr Jones is simply saying that when someone is lost, having a MLU would be wise. Therefore, everyone should always carry around an MLU because no one plans on getting lost. Ideally, these should be implanted at birth so that they cannot be separated from the owner. They should also transmit a unique code, so the owner can be identified. And they should be transmitting at all times, for situations where an accident prevents the owner from triggering the device. Mr. Jones supports such a system because he cannot deny that this will save the lives of rescuers, which is his greatest concern. I'm sure Mr. Jones has his personal MLU strapped on right now, because it would be neglegent otherwise.

Look up "Dunlap's Disease" in the dictionary. 2000+ calorie cheeseburgers are a major risk factor.

Chill, folks. Take spray to spray.

Fellas, save the foreplay for the van.

And I've skied enough times to know I suck.

And that is your choice, which more and more people are making. Of course, Americans are getting more obese due to lack of vigorous activity, as they sit in front of their computers.

Well, they'll have their media circus skills down pat after this experience. Duelling book deals in the parking lot outside the news conference methinks. And of course, sponsorship from MSR (for the XGKs) and Lucasfilm (for the Tauntauns). Where is Krakauer, anyway? Hiding out from the Mormon death squads? Did you read "Under the Banner of Heaven"? I'm reading "K2: The Price of Conquest" Those crazy Italians.

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Well, they'll have their media circus skills down pat after this experience. Duelling book deals in the parking lot outside the news conference methinks. And of course, sponsorship from MSR (for the XGKs) and Lucasfilm (for the Tauntauns). Where is Krakauer, anyway?

Well, they'll have their media circus skills down pat after this experience.

I agree with you. Folks who like organizations/clubs/heirarchy/ego-trips/etc are attracted to S&R, and most of them are mediocre (if that) climbers. As you said, there are a few really good climbers in S&R, but they are a minority. My understanding is that the Mountain Rescue organizations are volunteer, so they take what they can get. If the few (and the modest) uber-climbers such as yourselves don't join, then Mountain Rescue is composed of the folks who do. Such as Mounties and NOLS graduates. And they will go out there and do their best. Because if they didn't go out there, no one would.

This rescue is a full blown media circus. Hell, it's been on Larry King and every other 'news' program all week. Whatever happens, happens but I'm sure the guys in charge are just trying to maximize the chance of success.

Please, everyone, stay out of this thread and let SAR handle it.

There's SAR, and there's Mountain Rescue.

First time home buyers are like clubbing baby seals.

My gosh. Thanks for the heads-up. I'm sure the bumperstickers on your car are also full of helpful information.

I think I will.

Then again maybe you saw it in the first post of this thread.