Mr_Phil

This makes no sense. What does this have to do with suicide? This is true of climbing. This is true of just about every other accident situation, from driving to using small appliances. Are you saying that all drivers and their passengers are in suicide pacts?

Unless the beacons are giving you a false sense of security (possible, but totally mental, and something that needs to be avoided), I can't imagine that you'd have been "better off" without them. They're small and unobtrusive, so I don't really understand what negitive effect they could have beyond the mental aspect. Would you care to elaborate? After I got buried last year (not in the PNW) I began skiing with mine nearly every day, in bounds and out. Beacons are another piece of gear that one has to buy, maintain, and carry. And is only useful after you screw up. Not every day of climbing is in avy conditions or avy terrain. Skiers head directly for snow loaded bowls. Climbers can choose to avoid them in many instances. Sounds like you could use an avy class which focuses on risk assessment instead of reliance on gear.

No, your wrong. Prove your assertion.

It's sport climbing, numbnutz.

It's only a small thing, though.

Here's one option: http://www.spokanemountaineers.org/

Climbing isn't as dangerous as you imply. Qualified folks go climbing all the time (winter and summer) and come home without incident. You (as a non-climber) only hear about the times such as this when there is a problem. To evaluate the true risks, one must look at all instances of climbing. Imagine that you knew nothing about commercial aviation. And your first introduction was 9/11. It would be easy to conclude that flying was incredibly dangerous. But on more indepth consideration, commercial aviation is one of the safest activities. You are safer in a commercial airplane than driving down the highway. Climbing ice cliffs is fun and not incredibly dangerous. I'll probably be heading out this weekend to do it myself.

Actually, throwing in a little passion does swing these types of battles.

If one is planning to get buried in a snowcave and have to be rescued, then they might be useful. Avy beacons are short range devices (detection range ~50m), so searchers still have to have a pretty good idea where the victim is located. Packing for a climbing trip is a problem of optimization. There are a large number of things one might bring, so it's a matter of estimating risk and the usefulness of the tool, and balance that with weight and the ability to improvise. For example, the chance of encountering falling rock or ice is not neglegible, so most climbers would carry and wear a sturdy 1 lb. helmet on that route. The chance of getting buried in an avalanche at the time they headed up the route was pretty low, so a beacon would have little utility. One can't simply carry every piece of equipment that might prove useful in every imaginable accident. That's an infinite amount of gear. Weight is the enemy of climbing, as it makes it slower, more fatiguing, and requires one to carry even more food and water. So it's a balance, to carry enough but not too much.

Hey. I know. Let's start a discussion about bolting.

Open the [Run ...] dialog box from your start menu and type: format c:

A PLU might have saved her.

GREETING, Good a thing to write you. I have a proposal for you-this however is not mandatory nor will I in any manner compel you to honour It against your will. I am Sophia sango and my senior brother George sango, I am 23years old while my brother is 26years old, of our late parents Mr. and Mrs SANGO. our father was a highly reputable business magnet-(a cocoa merchant) who operated in the capital of Ivory coast during his days. It is sad to say that he passed away mysteriously in France during one of his business trips abroad on the 13th feb. 2000.Though his sudden death was linked or rather suspected to have been masterminded by an uncle of his who travelled with him at that time. But God knows the truth! our mother died when I was just 7years old, and since then my father took us so special. Before his death on February 13th 2000 he called his secretary who accompanied him to the hospital and told him that he has some sum of money left in a fixed deposit account in one of the leading banks in Africa. He further told him that he had changed the name used in depositing the money in my name, and finally issued a written instruction to his lawyer whom he said is in possession of all the necessary but legal documents to this fund and the bank. I am just 23 years old and a university undergraduate and really don't know what to do. Now I want an account overseas where I can transfer this fund and to continue my education because of the political crisis here now. This is because I have suffered a lot of set backs as a result of incessant political crisis here in Ivory coast. The death of our father actually brought sorrow to our life. Therefore I am in a sincere desire of your humble assistance in this regards. Your suggestions and ideas will be highly regarded. Now permit me to ask these few questions:- 1. Can you honestly help us? 2. Can we completely trust you? 3. What percentage of the total amount in question will be good for you after the money is in your account? 4.Can you help us in investing in a proper and profitable way and not regreting associating with you. Please, Consider this and get back to us as soon as possible. Thank you so much. My sincere regards, Sophia & George.

Actually, Jason, we do have to continually defend our right to climb and the spaces we climb. Democracies need a lot of maintenance. Feedback time: http://www.cascadeclimbers.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/620856/page/1#Post620856

http://www.cnn.com/exchange/ireports/topics/forms/2006/12/mount.hood.html Are you a climber? We want to see photos and videos of the peaks you've scaled, especially Mount Hood, and hear why you did it. Did you narrowly escape trouble or have a problem-free adventure? Some of what you send may be shared on "Anderson Cooper 360." Might be an opportunity to get some positive climbing PR spin in.

No it wasn't.

Hmmm. Maybe we should put aside our differences and join forces?

BUT IF YOU CARRIED A PLU, THEN YOU WOULD GET EXACTLY WHAT YOU ASKED FOR. Ooops, wrong Phil. If Mr. James had carried a PLU and had activated it the day he was injured (Saturday, the 10th) he might have made it out alive. Your statement is pretty meaningless. There are thousands of things that they could have carried that *might* have been useful.

Errr, ummm.

~200 yds. http://www.heraldextra.com/content/view/202425/

Then have your good friend explain to you that there are no woods in Naches. Orchards, yes. Yakima's Best Selection of Camo, yes. Woods, no.

BUT IF YOU CARRIED A PLU, THEN YOU WOULD GET EXACTLY WHAT YOU ASKED FOR. Ooops, wrong Phil.

Umm, you've never tried to drive in the passing lane on Washington highways, now have you? The motto here is: "I can't drive 55."

or the small appliances sphere.