StevenSeagal

Presumably he rappelled the route, so I wouldn't be sure of that at this point.

How ironic.

Make me.

We all do. The key is to know the nature of your ego and to master it. You are not very Zen...not yet. So you don't care...which shows how disconnected you are. Failing to care ignores that the style in which it has been put up sets the bar for the next person that comes along. It has something to teach others, and acts as a source of inspiration, or lack thereof. Evidently you don't take advice well and have no interest in learning from others. Personally, I'm inspired by someone giving all they have to making a route a reality, especially in the form of self-mastery. As Billcoe points out, sometimes in certain arenas rap bolting is the only way due to choss, etc, but a blanket statement that rap bolting is the only way to do it shows a closed mind. Oh please cut with the juvenile dick measuring. First of all, I've never drilled a bolt in my life, and I probably never will. It isn't my way. That doesn't mean I won't happily climb routes that others have bolted, even rap bolted routes that I know someone else could have bolted on lead if they had gotten there first. I think there's little to argue that ground up is the purest style.If rap bolting some dung heap is the only way- so be it, but even in that case the bolter should always first ask him/herself: "does this piece of rock really need to be climbed?" Access is threatened and we're getting squeezed everywhere. A lot more thoughtfulness should be happening in light of that, but armadas of power drill wielding young climbers on rappel, obsessed with the glory of FA's are not going to help improve the situation. Nor are they going to inspire climbers to embolden themselves on lead or in life.

You can be assured of doing so if you are in touch with your own capabilities, which you clearly are not, since you evidenltly tackle projects over your head and then claim your tactics used were necessary because it was 'too dangerous'. For who? YOU. Bachar's routes have stood the test of time as one man's expression of route creation reflecting the ability of the climber, and not the fear and lack of ability. Nobody has gone back to rap bolt them because the route was unsafe for them, the routes just get climbed only by those competent to do so. Kurt Albert puts bolts right next to cracks on mountain routes in Patagonia and elsewhere justifying it by saying he "wants to create a repeatable route for everyone else" by diminishing the amount of gear necessary. Well, thanks but no thanks, I'll be the judge of what I need. Thank you for predetermining the adventure for the rest of us. If it's too much, well then I guess I'll find something that is within my abilities, not drag it down to my level to fulfill my ego trip. Amen Flyingpig- the lead zone is where the learning and growth takes place. Not on rappel with the drill where you predetermine each spot you might get scared. Then stop living your life in fear.

Jesus titty fucking christ, where is Mark Twight when we need him? I don't wear pads when I spar, cause you won't have them on when the bad guys come after you. If you want a guarantee of safety, you're in the wrong sport.

The trend I'm sensing here using my superior intuition (developed from all my years in Japan) is that kevbone has the Midas Touch- every thread he posts in turns to shit.

I think the question is, how wasn't Infinite Bliss? They still have a few more weeks of beta-gathering to do.

"The findings are significant, because temperature and rain and snow trends in the area impact on water availability for more than 50 million Pakistanis." So by ignoring global warming, we're helping give water to terrorists. Are you with us, or against us?

Grrrreat comeback. You should enter a rap battle. Well since fullon Kevin's mom has left us to not climb Infinite Bliss again, thought I'd share this bio I found for felchingpigfucker:

That's not IB, boner. That's Index. You wouldn't know your own ass from a hole in the ground. Me thinks the closest you've been to the route has been while jerking it to your inadequate topo, fantasizing about one that showed you all the holds and bolts and sidepulls and highsteps. That's assuming you could locate your cock.

Probably you, since you can't seem to find Infinite Bliss.

why don't you two go down to the gym and pump each other.

I'm Steven Seagal, beyotch. Don't think that you're Above the Law.

Are you sure? You'd be surprised who lurks here. What sort of connections are you talking about? Have you ever checked out the Pirate Forum? There's a place for everyone here... even you. By the way, if you need justice delivered, talk to me first.

What kind of rope comes out of the box in this condition? I'd be pissed off. What brand was it? I'll avoid them. Thanks for the critical gear input!

Would you be so kind as to translate this "bly by" gibberish? I'm afraid that English is my native language and I don't read Tiger Beat Magazine or whatever pop culture icon from which you dredged this term.

Yeah. Don't you forget it.

That sounds like a LOT of info. Yet you've spent two whole days bemoaning the poor quality of the topo you already have in hand and ignoring obvious suggestions to simply use the search engines. Given your clear dissatisfaction despite that "unreal" amount of info...what EVER would you do if there was NO topo out there for you? Routefinding and adventure on mountain routes is a real buzzkill.

Issaquah was like that about 15 years ago. Now it's a bad version of Orange County except filled with people who pretend they live in a rural area. And the traffic sucks even worse than the OC.

Cardboard box next to the dumpster at Pike Place Mkt In a van down by the river.

Or, one could simply be superior. And that's that.

Sodom and Gomorrah might better suit your interests.

Where the fuck is the Aquatard? I think I saw your father. If you want more info, better quick punching the clown and get back in the fight for justice. I'm sick and tired of carrying your weight, beyotch.

I think you can expect to be Under Siege. Here's a cutlass for you, Captain Sparrow- straight up your pirate ass: Have fun on the high seas.