ClimbingPanther

but hey, at least you could get nominated for a Darwin award! my glass is half-full.

was that a joke?

[font:Comic Sans MS]WHY DID YOU SQUABBLERS HAVE TO RUIN THIS IMPORTANT THREAD??? [/font]

while we're discussing issues related to the energy efficiency of producing corn organically or not, let's have a show of hands for who loves David Hasselhoff

OK, so for animals that may be true, but we're not talking about animals for fuel. I've actually DONE some crop work on an organic farm and I can promise you the yield is lower and manpower way higher than if they'd just bought a bottle of pesticide.

I don't think that was Dru's point, and he does have an argument. Half the yield means twice the cleared land required to produce it which means we leave a bigger footprint. The savings in fuel come with a huge spike in manpower. It's not a very viable alternative, even if it truly is an attractive option from the standpoint of the energy efficiency equation.

With all the talk about industrial carbon caps and rationing, why is it crazy to talk about private caps?

:lmao: :lmao: is it really that crazy? why? curtails the practice of commuting from LA-San Diego and other ridiculous uses of fuel while allowing a reasonable amount of use for everyday needs of people of all economic standing.

Government should and must play a central role. City planning is a huge part of overdependence on fuel. Our country is built with cheap fuel in mind. Jacking up prices will just cause recession because there's no viable alternatives at this point. We need alternatives before we price oil out of existence. Maybe we should look at fuel rationing without price increase. Keeps consumption low without screwing the poor.

I'm in favor of not using price as the sword to cut emissions.

increasing taxes & inflating prices for fuel is a tax on the poor. fuel makes up a huge piece of their pie, and the rich don't care because they'll have money to do what they want anyway.

how do YOU know that none of us, in fact, hasn't ever said anything stupid?

why is this not a 5-star thread?

Since CO2 is, this very minute, pouring out of your mouth, dirtbagathlete, I suggest you save our future by cutting down on your emissions. skull

Look below to find your answer. kevbone, that was actually the funniest post I've seen in a long time. well done, lad!

Yeth pleathe!

I always knew my restless leg syndrome would turn out to be a blessing somehow

I see the virgin Mary in the smoke patterns

but the baa will be happy to have their grassland back

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stop flaming me

Greece, sometime in the last few days: beat that, cc.com flamers!

The first thing you have to do is get over the "need" to defend yourself and keep up some kind of image you think you're protecting. The more you try to "defend" yourself against the flaming (especially by flaming back even more egregiously), the more you become part of the problem.

hooray, I'm so glad you came to grace us with your presence and eloquent discourse. please stay a while