Kimmo

in no way do i intend to threaten your collective sense of outrage(!), but i am amused that lieberman is first compared to an ebola virus, and then despots from h to s. i am amused, yes.

lieberman's positions seem to have been pretty consistent for a while now: quite "liberal" on domestic issues (NARAL gives him 100, for example), quite hawkish on foreign policy. actually a "maverick" of sorts, unlike the self-proclaimed version from arizona. he's an orthodox zionist jew, so it's not entirely surprising that his FP positions indicate a hawkish stance inre the middle-east. do i agree? i feel his position is short-sighted for a variety of reasons, but i do think he believes his positions to be sincere.

"joint drinks" means something with chondroitin, msm, and such? if so, i've taken them for periods of time and have had no conclusive feed-back. it's nice to think they work....but i can't say they do. a "trick" of mine that i DO know works is self-massage on the fingers and fore-arms. find the sore spot in the finger and massage it somewhat vigorously for a few minutes a few times a day. chances are you'll find sore spots in your fore-arms and palms too; massage these as well. it's easy to forget to do this, but i've found that if continued for a week, good results.

thanks maine-iac, but no luck. everyone at UW was like "hmmmmm... try this number:..." until the last one connected me to Sound Mind and Body. 24 Hour Fitness it is.

it depends on what he means by "high-end climbing" and the type of route. i'd say anything steeper than vert, and above mid 5.12, you'll have a much easier time if you don't max out at 10 pull-ups, in general. i can't think of anyone i know who climbs 5.13 or above who couldn't do more than 10 pull-ups....but the inverse is of course not true: having a high pull-up max doesn't mean one can climb well.... also disagree with his "added muscle" with a higher max. i don't think doing high rep pull-up sets builds big muscles, or non-functional muscles. at least i haven't seen this happen. look at haston: 52 years old and rp'd 14d, and does supposedly up to 2,000 pull-ups a day, sets of 20. hard to argue with his results.

anyone know where to get accurate ie. water immersion body fat testing in seattle? 24 hour fitness does it once a month for $50, but couldn't find anywhere else.

for me, it was pretty easy to drop about 6 lbs to 172 (stop eating a pint of ben and jerries every other day!), but tough after that. dropped to 168 briefly, and i suppose once pressing goals are on the horizon then i'll get more motivated again. i read somewhere that most diet "programs" have about the same efficacy, but a key component was to keep a diary and record everything you eat. people who did that did much better.

please explain how i am a hypocrite. really? i love to be questioned. what is your question please? who did i insult, and who's climbing? oh yes, yours, when you went on like an experienced expert. au contraire. i believe i have said on more than one occasion that those disciplines might work wonderfully for people. i even expressed interest in gym jones in seattle, but alas, nothing available. no way dude, at least one person is interested in this shite. if you include me, that is. you seem pretty interested, since you keep replying, even though you are busy keeping tabs on your tendon development dates. i have always detested base levels of intelligence, but i still fail to see how the above is so terrifically offensive.... perhaps you are simply defensive? please list the "several" climbers who i have denigrated. and the love thing: you notice how you brought up all these "obligations" of yours? excuses, dude. and a perfect example of what the quote seemed to indicate: for true love, you will sacrifice. how many will? certainly not rocky joe with the time stamped tendons. no, i kid you. of course people have competing interests in their lives. nothing wrong with that, but i can't quite figure out why you're getting so worked up about it.... and about sucking your balls? tact, sir. at least wait to proposition me until the bathrooms at stone gardens.

hehe, speaking of "defensive"! update: december 26th, 2009, 2:57 pm. do your tendons know what time it is?

furthermore(!): i'm not sure what you are going on about regarding hypocritical spewing. do you really think i am "spewing" blanket dismissals of all other view-points? of course not! i've mentioned books i have liked (parts of macleod's latest, goddard's, certainly ilgner's warrior's way), and i've questioned certain view-points. it seems perhaps you don't like to be questioned? hence no discussion of your own book here, only solicitations for accolades? but, i do want to add that the "amateur" tag applies to myself as well. i hardly consider it an insult, just an apt description of my current abilities. and not only does my current climbing standard (13c or so) define me as an amateur (since elite level is closer to 14c and v13 or 14), so does the fact that i don't get paid to climb. interesting thought: i heard someone say that the difference between an amateur and a professional is that the professional simply loves what they do more.

you ever been? how is the heli skiing in bella coola?

mebbe i should just write a book! merry christmas btw, may all your wishes come true (unless you are wishing for my deth or something).

huh, interesting inre litz. looks like he started a year ago, and did a 6 mo program? curious about litz's body type...i'd guess from the photo he's 5'8" and 135 lbs? is there a gym jones in seattle area, with people of expertise in line with litz's program? and what are the costs?

i call a person who functions in a particular discipline at a non-advanced level an "amateur". it is not a denigration per se, just an apt description of that particular person's level of performance. and when this person, who evidently carries not enough personal experience and expertise to attain a more advanced level of attainment, begins to lecture others on what they should do in order to improve at that particular discipline, it seems to me, for what should be obvious reasons, that they should have the humbleness to defer to those that do indeed have the expertise and experience. is this difficult to understand? and really, you can say whatever you want about whatever you want hah, but there are other ways of dealing with others disagreeing with you besides getting offended: perhaps actually debate them on the merits of your position? oh, maybe you don't have a defensible position; my bad. in that case, you learn. you learn what works, you study, you climb, you make yourself a guinea pig, and once you figure it out, THEN start lecturing people (or, allow people to be part of your improvement process). but once you start lecturing people without the expertise and attainments to back up your position, you'll simply be offended over and over again, cuz you'll get called out. i think all i've ever talked about here is what's worked for me, what makes sense to me, and what DOESN'T make sense to me. sorry if what you say doesn't make sense to me; it's not so much that i'm trying to offend you, it's just that i think you might be wrong for reasons that i will state. maybe respond, instead of ignoring my questions? or are you afraid you'll look ignorant cuz now you've published a book and you're supposed to know the answers? and if it seems i work myself into a tizzy over this shite, maybe it's cuz i'm actually passionate about it. maybe try getting passionate about what you write books about. and, i've never ever called anyone here an "armature", and your last sentence makes no sense what-so-ever. what so ever. whatsoever. damn, all three choices look funny.

i thought he started crossfit rather recently, after his sporto tear? or during his tear? regardless, i think it's evident from his long history of climbing that he already had the skills and strength. this is NOT to say crossfit won't help him in some fashion...

dude, do you read ever read over what you write? like, you know, for logical consistency?

i personally had a heck of a time with all the hoopla surrounding obama and his "beautiful speeches". he always seemed like an ideological lackey (NOT of the "left") with a stilted speaking style. "Hope" doesn't cut the cheese.

i'm not sure; that's why i qualified my statement as i did. and i think you should be more concerned with keeping your tendons informed of the date than whether or not john is presenting a cogent view of things.

btw, just so you know, i have nothing against crossfit per se, and i have nothing against you per se, i just have, in general, a problem with anyone who makes claims about how their program will help everyone with whatever it is they do (especially when the proclaimant advertises said high-priced services, and is a gumby at the discipline they claim their "program" will help). layton falls into this camp just a little bit, when he dispenses "how-to" RULES as to how one should train for disciplines in which he is not at an elite level. taping fingers for campusing? heavy weight-training for sport climbing? that kind of "rule-making" by amateurs just bugs the heck out of me. shit, elite climbers who coach (except neil gresham, gumby!) don't seem to have half the conceit that so many amateur gumbies have.

thanks for the link. i actually took 5 minutes to look through it, instead of the recommended 2, and i'd say that for the guys on that list and with what they do, yeah the activities of crossfit makes sense. although i don't understand jiu jitsu (quite a few of those guys?!?) well enough to understand crossfit's ummm crossover. it seems like we're just arguing for argument's sake, unless you are claiming crossfit to be definitively beneficial for sport climbing and bouldering (i would say it might be in the right situations, but not really sure even of that).

Which policy prescriptions to which issues, specifically? Take your time. If you are expecting an answer beyond "lick sack", don't hold your breath. the same 3 or 2 or 6 peeps here have been playing this silly game (that i must take part in occasionally) for what, a decade now, and y'alls are still expecting answers to specific questions from klueless kluck kluck? wtf? y'alls are as kkk as he is.

quick point on this: james litz did all his hard climbing BEFORE he ever did crossfit, is this not correct? certainly his V hard stuff, and maybe he had started crossfit when he did his hard 14+ sporto routes last summer, maybe? we'll see what happens in the future with his climbing, but it's disingenious to say crossfit had anything ANYTHING to do with it at this point. my concern would be that he would gain weight, as gadd did during his tenure. for gadd's stuff, not as much a concern, but i doubt litz will be climbing 14+ or V15 if he gains serious weight. for some things, certainly, without a doubt. for elite level sport climbing and bouldering? not so much.

rad.

You're wrong. Olympic Medalist Pan American interesting. so a medal in luge, and a pan-american medalist in jiu jitsu. it would be interesting to think about the specifics they do in gym jones, and how it relates to their discipline.... but i've gotta go to the gym now and do some static climbing.

you seemingly have had a history indicative of a reluctance to engage in the tasteless theatrics that are evoked by the "anonymous" nature of this forum, so to see the photo above came as a bit of a surprise, that's all. as does your "defense" in the post above.