Kimmo

hehe, speaking of "defensive"! update: december 26th, 2009, 2:57 pm. do your tendons know what time it is?

furthermore(!): i'm not sure what you are going on about regarding hypocritical spewing. do you really think i am "spewing" blanket dismissals of all other view-points? of course not! i've mentioned books i have liked (parts of macleod's latest, goddard's, certainly ilgner's warrior's way), and i've questioned certain view-points. it seems perhaps you don't like to be questioned? hence no discussion of your own book here, only solicitations for accolades? but, i do want to add that the "amateur" tag applies to myself as well. i hardly consider it an insult, just an apt description of my current abilities. and not only does my current climbing standard (13c or so) define me as an amateur (since elite level is closer to 14c and v13 or 14), so does the fact that i don't get paid to climb. interesting thought: i heard someone say that the difference between an amateur and a professional is that the professional simply loves what they do more.

you ever been? how is the heli skiing in bella coola?

mebbe i should just write a book! merry christmas btw, may all your wishes come true (unless you are wishing for my deth or something).

huh, interesting inre litz. looks like he started a year ago, and did a 6 mo program? curious about litz's body type...i'd guess from the photo he's 5'8" and 135 lbs? is there a gym jones in seattle area, with people of expertise in line with litz's program? and what are the costs?

i call a person who functions in a particular discipline at a non-advanced level an "amateur". it is not a denigration per se, just an apt description of that particular person's level of performance. and when this person, who evidently carries not enough personal experience and expertise to attain a more advanced level of attainment, begins to lecture others on what they should do in order to improve at that particular discipline, it seems to me, for what should be obvious reasons, that they should have the humbleness to defer to those that do indeed have the expertise and experience. is this difficult to understand? and really, you can say whatever you want about whatever you want hah, but there are other ways of dealing with others disagreeing with you besides getting offended: perhaps actually debate them on the merits of your position? oh, maybe you don't have a defensible position; my bad. in that case, you learn. you learn what works, you study, you climb, you make yourself a guinea pig, and once you figure it out, THEN start lecturing people (or, allow people to be part of your improvement process). but once you start lecturing people without the expertise and attainments to back up your position, you'll simply be offended over and over again, cuz you'll get called out. i think all i've ever talked about here is what's worked for me, what makes sense to me, and what DOESN'T make sense to me. sorry if what you say doesn't make sense to me; it's not so much that i'm trying to offend you, it's just that i think you might be wrong for reasons that i will state. maybe respond, instead of ignoring my questions? or are you afraid you'll look ignorant cuz now you've published a book and you're supposed to know the answers? and if it seems i work myself into a tizzy over this shite, maybe it's cuz i'm actually passionate about it. maybe try getting passionate about what you write books about. and, i've never ever called anyone here an "armature", and your last sentence makes no sense what-so-ever. what so ever. whatsoever. damn, all three choices look funny.

i thought he started crossfit rather recently, after his sporto tear? or during his tear? regardless, i think it's evident from his long history of climbing that he already had the skills and strength. this is NOT to say crossfit won't help him in some fashion...

dude, do you read ever read over what you write? like, you know, for logical consistency?

i personally had a heck of a time with all the hoopla surrounding obama and his "beautiful speeches". he always seemed like an ideological lackey (NOT of the "left") with a stilted speaking style. "Hope" doesn't cut the cheese.

i'm not sure; that's why i qualified my statement as i did. and i think you should be more concerned with keeping your tendons informed of the date than whether or not john is presenting a cogent view of things.

btw, just so you know, i have nothing against crossfit per se, and i have nothing against you per se, i just have, in general, a problem with anyone who makes claims about how their program will help everyone with whatever it is they do (especially when the proclaimant advertises said high-priced services, and is a gumby at the discipline they claim their "program" will help). layton falls into this camp just a little bit, when he dispenses "how-to" RULES as to how one should train for disciplines in which he is not at an elite level. taping fingers for campusing? heavy weight-training for sport climbing? that kind of "rule-making" by amateurs just bugs the heck out of me. shit, elite climbers who coach (except neil gresham, gumby!) don't seem to have half the conceit that so many amateur gumbies have.

thanks for the link. i actually took 5 minutes to look through it, instead of the recommended 2, and i'd say that for the guys on that list and with what they do, yeah the activities of crossfit makes sense. although i don't understand jiu jitsu (quite a few of those guys?!?) well enough to understand crossfit's ummm crossover. it seems like we're just arguing for argument's sake, unless you are claiming crossfit to be definitively beneficial for sport climbing and bouldering (i would say it might be in the right situations, but not really sure even of that).

Which policy prescriptions to which issues, specifically? Take your time. If you are expecting an answer beyond "lick sack", don't hold your breath. the same 3 or 2 or 6 peeps here have been playing this silly game (that i must take part in occasionally) for what, a decade now, and y'alls are still expecting answers to specific questions from klueless kluck kluck? wtf? y'alls are as kkk as he is.

quick point on this: james litz did all his hard climbing BEFORE he ever did crossfit, is this not correct? certainly his V hard stuff, and maybe he had started crossfit when he did his hard 14+ sporto routes last summer, maybe? we'll see what happens in the future with his climbing, but it's disingenious to say crossfit had anything ANYTHING to do with it at this point. my concern would be that he would gain weight, as gadd did during his tenure. for gadd's stuff, not as much a concern, but i doubt litz will be climbing 14+ or V15 if he gains serious weight. for some things, certainly, without a doubt. for elite level sport climbing and bouldering? not so much.

rad.

You're wrong. Olympic Medalist Pan American interesting. so a medal in luge, and a pan-american medalist in jiu jitsu. it would be interesting to think about the specifics they do in gym jones, and how it relates to their discipline.... but i've gotta go to the gym now and do some static climbing.

you seemingly have had a history indicative of a reluctance to engage in the tasteless theatrics that are evoked by the "anonymous" nature of this forum, so to see the photo above came as a bit of a surprise, that's all. as does your "defense" in the post above.

to be fair, posting that photo for the purposes it was posted is a rather sad testament to its poster.

from will gadd: "I'm 12-15 pounds heavier after the last three months of going at CF". Yikes! "CF is "agnostic," meaning that it encourages examination, discussion, and experimentation." mebbe just the followers become theists? "CF is not sport-specific, nor does it claim to be. Doing CF to be a better sport climber, runner, swimmer, kayaker, or whatever is a waste of time."

i don't think he'll be doing any hauling when he goes for the rp.... yeah yeah!

except he's trying to develop all day stamina at a strength and power level that i'm trying to simply achieve! have you seen the pitch difficulty numbers of his project? wowzers. (pet peeve: he says he boulders for 3 mo's to achieve "power", but he's actually achieving strength and power; it seems to me with climbing the two go hand in hand (even in campusing) and you can't have "power" without the requisite strength). cool on the static stuff! just did a little at the gym last night, and will do more tonite. yeah never done anything that resulted so quickly in raw "strength" gains. kinda like gymnasts holding their positions up to a minute as they develop (try staticing a climb sometime where you hold the body position for 10 secs before grabbing the hold, with the hand just hovering over the hold you're gonna grab. fun stuff!).

Hey Jack-Donkey "El-Jefe" nicht: What's your amazing real-life profession? C'mon! Fess up so we can inappropriately ridicule it on a climbing web-site. What do you do for a living, eh big shot? What's that??? Embarrassed? Sit down, little, little man. ask yahweh for help with your insecurities. If you skip over sections of the old testament and look to the kabbalah, you will find he is a loving god only there to help you grow.

that's funny. i don't think gym jones or crossfit is training olympic caliber athletes in any discipline. correct me if i'm wrong. it seems like the whole puking thing is just part of the image that "hardman twight" uses to sell his product. it's not necessarily training smart, it's just aspiring to be a "badass". i think if you're puking regularly, then you're either out of shape, eating too close to intense workouts, or both.

i think that pretty much sums it up.

what can one do with the liverwort, besides make attractive hand-bags?