Kimmo

poo threads aside, how many infant and child deaths resulted from this situation you describe above? since you have done so much research, can you also describe various compounding factors in the deaths (if there were any)? you are back to being a kook again. "but doctor, you told me vaccines were absolutely safe!" "well, they are. just not for your child. sorry." anyways, it sounds like you think you have figured it out for yourself and your baby. after deep and open-minded research, of course! I do wish you all the best, sincerely. it's an amazing amazing time!

we should ask him. hey jb!

lemme guess: "i'm not gonna watch that garbage!"

have you watched much al jazeera?

i had back-up.

hi robbi! trick question? ok, how many?

is there a reason you are getting so worked up about this? coming out with "kook" and such, without obviously understanding a thing i'm saying. i suppose your history here does not prove you to be a deep thinker (although i have been told on good authority that you have an ADVANCED DEGREE! IS THIS TRUE?).... i read the article, linked it so others could read it, and think about the subject a bit, contrasting it with the 4 deaths in england (which we know almost nothing of, except that an emotive charge was made by a doc regarding what's-his-name's responsibility in the matter). there are people who want to simply believe ALL VACCINES ARE COMPLETELY SAFE AND NECCESSARY! and others who want to think ALL VACCINES ARE EVIL AND A CONSPIRACY! as per usual, the truth lies somewhere in between.... my advice would be to refrain from allowing the hep b vaccination in the hospital, usually now administered a day after birth. kind of a shitty welcoming into the world. unless of course your baby is into iv drugs ... i would also consider the spacing of vaccines that you conclude to be necessary. why clump them together, and potentially overload baby's system? aluminum adjuvants are present (in all?) vaccines, and the immune system is already stimulated by the rest of the vaccine; why do this with multiple vaccines at once? these are my humble opinings.

ok so let me get this straight: "blah blah blah blabbety blah and a reduction in dtap vaccines led to infections that killed 10 children in california" whoa! please tell me more about this. what did the children die of? when did this happen? where exactly?

can you cite one "fact" that I have challenged? please stop being a kook now. both you and that erock fellow. don't make so many assumptions about what it is i'm saying. stick to the facts.

really? so you are also doubting the deaths? indian pediatrics article

i am glad that you have, by using your understanding of facts of course, been convinced of this doc's FRAUD.

are you a kook? firstly, my "facts" mission originated in another thread, having nothing to do with vaccinations. pay attention. secondly, 4 kids didn't die in india after receiving the measles vaccine; is this what you are saying? are you further saying that vaccines are completely safe? if so, you are contradicting our very own beloved medical establishment.

btw, just to clarify, i am not "anti-vaccine" per se. i am very interested in the subject due to personal reasons, so this has led me to read a lot of material on the subject. and to conclude that yet, once again, life refuses to fit into a neat little right/wrong bad/good dichotomy.

i appreciate your input. on to other news.... from what i heard (on npr), some british docs indicated that, by reducing significantly the vaccination rates, this anti-vaccine doc's research has led to 4 deaths. no details were given about the deaths themselves, but i believe they were related to complications with measles. it's interesting to contrast this accusation with the following information: Vaccine programmes grind to a halt in India once more, when four children died after they received the measles vaccination in Lucknow. The four children were reported to have fainted soon after they were vaccinated and witnesses reported seeing the children's eyes roll back as they began to have seizures. All of the children were under the age of two years of age, with the youngest being just six months. Sadly the children died before medical aid workers could reach them. link

better get your facts straight LOL.

your science back-ground is showing.

This one makes more points about the general sitchmo http://www.bmj.com/content/342/bmj.c7452.full to be clear, the linked article above presents no facts, only mentioning the accusations. it does say that forthcoming articles will delve into the actual facts and arguments.

I think he is challenging what is a "fact" and what is not. hey, that wasn't a challenge of "facts", just a request for examples. which weren't given!

no, i'm asking him if he read the BMJ article.

have you read the BMJ report in its entirety? just curious. the cnn article itself wasn't "conclusive", only alluding to BMJ's conclusions, it seems....

seems a little silly, this mountain climbing thing.

man, i just wanted some "facts" from choada boy, and he didn't provide any.

i would like at least 3 examples of a "fact", since you are fluent in the language. just 3. maybe 10 if you get quite excited. You're joking, right? you sound excited.

not a bad start, if you were choada boy. although entirely wrong.

i would like at least 3 examples of a "fact", since you are fluent in the language. just 3. Newton's 3 laws of motion seem like an appropriate place to start re 9/11. Is your question actually serious, j_b er Kimmo? explain please, choada boy. oh wait....