Kimmo

really? care to explain? by the way, do you have your pertussis booster?

a reasonable approach. although knowing if your kid is allergic to vaccine cultures is problematic until actually administering a vaccine. btw, have you had your booster for pertussis?

if said kid is allergic, should vaccinations continue? and shouldn't you really say "don't be an ass-hole, make sure you have your boosters."

one can be "pro-vaccine" without getting ANY shots, but that's not the point. the point is that babies under 2 mo's are not vaccinated for pertussis, yet account for most deaths. in cali's 2010 "epidemic", the 10 deaths were all in kids under 6 mo's of age, with i believe 8 under 2 mo's (below vaccinatable age). furthermore, at least half of those kids contracted it from adults (i'd bet more?). meaning, according to your logic, those adults should be liable and subject to law-suit. again, have you had your pertussis booster?

Does anyone? You keep bringing this up - not sure why. i bring it up because the pertussis vaccine loses efficacy after 5 years. meaning, if you have not had the vaccine in the last five years, you risk contagion and then passing it on to others. simple. which means that anyone who is stridently "pro-vaccine" should, logically, make sure their own vaccinations are up to date. kapisce?

I'm curious: Jim, selkirk, ET, rob, minx, etal.... have you all had your pertussis boosters in the last 5 years?

that's a heck of a leap there, for a rational robot such as yourself. I didn't realize citing a particular source meant in any way a particular allegiance to an ideology. wait, i forgot who i'm talking to. which conclusions? i might conclude from your above quote that you may have been immersed in grad school just a wee bit too long, my friend. but, since i have you on the line, tell me about some double blind studies on the subject.

without substantiating your charge, you might just take the award yourself. so, in other words, care to expand on that?

yes, shingles was sooo prevalent before the vaccine, wasn't it?

haven't you added a sasquatch to your ET line yet? Would make my hunt easier.

absolutely. been there done that. your point?

Dr. Rob, I'm coming to you for advice here; please tell me which vaccines you think are important to give. All of them and keep it simple? If it's some of them, please tell me which ones. Should I get the polio? rubella? We didn't allow them to give the hepb the day she was born. she's two now and kind of wild; should we reconsider? How about Chicken Pox? We always thought this was a rather innocuous rite of passage, but now I'm not so sure: be safe and get the shot? Dr. Rob, please consider dispensing advice without fee this one time.

still waiting, but in the meantime, here's something that might interest you and the others who are researching this subject: Our new section is perhaps highlighted by the testimony via an exclusive CBS interview of Dr. Bernadine Healy, the former Director of the National Institutes of Health (NIH) regarding this vaccine controversy. In this interview, Dr. Healy says, "I think the government, or certain health officials in the government, are - have been too quick to dismiss the concerns of these families without studying the population that got sick. I haven't seen major studies that focus on - three hundred kids, who got autistic symptoms within a period of a few weeks of a vaccine. I think that the public health officials have been too quick to dismiss the hypothesis as irrational, without sufficient studies of causation. I think that they often have been too quick to dismiss studies in the animal laboratory, either in mice, in primates, that do show some concerns with regard to certain vaccines and also to the mercury preservative in vaccines. The government has said, in a report by the Institute of Medicine - and by the way, I'm a member of the Institute of Medicine. I love the Institute of Medicine - but a report in 2004 - it basically said, 'Do not pursue susceptibility groups. Don't look for those patients, those children, who may be vulnerable'. I really take issue with that conclusion. The reason why they didn't want to look for those susceptibility groups was because they're afraid if they found them - however big or small they were - that that would scare the public away. First of all, I think the public's smarter than that; the public values vaccines. But, more importantly, I don't think you should ever turn your back on any scientific hypothesis because you're afraid of what it might show!"

nader is polling pretty good right now, although it's obviously a bit early.

which ones would you recommend?

who fell for a fraud? can't seem to recall that one. are you gettin' yer facts mixed up again hahahoho.

there's some decent evidence that mother's resistance to at least some immunizable illnesses is passed along in said mama's milk. don't know if smallpox is one of them. I think it's WHO which recommends that African mothers breast-feed, because of the reduced risk of measles in breast-fed babies....

sounds like re-election is in the bag. those republicans: so obsolete.

formidable-and probably unattainable-without the intervening hand of moderator. humanoids, being humanoids, seemingly enjoy a little drama now and then, whatever the subject matter might be.

yes, poorly bolted. '94? when was this thing bolted? about the same time i think.... did you redpoint?

never been on it, along with the two other routes you mention. lizard king and oval orifice i'll get on this fall, and perhaps the other you mention, but i've never heard of any significant runouts from people who have climbed them. why are we talking about this again?!?

really? which ones? i can't think of many (any!) routes without a bolt every 6 to 10 feet.

the above has been something i've been indirectly alluding to. without doubt, i enjoy the convenience of permadraws, even whilst having some reservations, but if "we" get too cavalier about their right to exist, we might be facing the same prospects as the aforementioned areas. I'd rather remain low-key about them, and not announce their placement on bulletin boards. most here wouldn't have even known about them without this thread!

as long as it's at the crux of rainy day women.

cuz i'm telling ya, this matter is high on the policy-makers list!