KaskadskyjKozak

hey, it took Sanford and Palin to get Minx to come out and play in spray!

In early May, yeah, I'd probably be desperate enough to climb to deal with those conditions.

somehow wet and/or icy rock just doesn't sound appealing to me I went last year about 3 days after some fresh rain/snow (late Sep) and the rock was totally dry and the climbing pleasant as usual.

maybe they can hike the Appalachian trail together?

cool, I'm not being a total pussy then. :-)

is it purple?

you goin' up this w/e? I was planning to, but the weather forecast is looking pretty crappy right now: http://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?lat=48.5059145746952&lon=-120.65013885498047&site=mfr&smap=1&marine=0&unit=0&lg=en

is there a coincidence that it is called the "show me" state?

a winning record in the preseason is meaningless

I thought this thread was about my "morning constitutional"

slow day, eh, RuMR?

First of all, Canada (last time I checked) is not within US borders, so what fees in Canada have to do with NP in the US? Nothing- but that's I guess normal for you not be able to follow a simple conversation. If you don't like the fees in Canada- my advice is don't go there- really simple. Canada has totally different tax structure and funding is done completely in a different matter. Something you have no clue about. The fee is 75 CDN (which is about 68 USD at the moment) per year. There are no other fees included for usage. 75 bucks gets you for a year into any park in Western Canada. Compared to earnings in Canada I think it is quite reasonable. Now compare it to the US: US Forest Service trailhead parking fee, BLM fee, every National Park fee (not to mention 150 USD for climbing permit for Denali, Mt Foraker and 25USD for Rainier) average climber in the US is looking at 100-300/year of fees for climbing. And you are bitching about 68 bucks in Canada? Get real! My one-week car-camping trip to Banff/Jasper last year was far more expensive than any one-week trip I have taken to US National Parks. The trips were 100% analogous (car camp within park boundaries), and it had nothing to do with the exchange rate. Piss off.

I'm not sure this would meet the definition of "evidence". Try harder people! Not the "point" j_b made.

"Per usual" you attack those rebutting your points rather than the points they make. You asked for evidence that Moore is a fraud, whose "documentaries" are full of distortions, and you got them. I guess it's just an "inconvenient truth" - just like this: you're a fucking joke, j_b. That sums you up to the letter.

You can always find an outlier - OW. I still call it a bullshit scenario. And the fee is just one part of the cost to visiting a park. The poster child for these fees is Yellowstone, which was raised to $20 a few years back, and may be even more now. The population of Wyoming+Montana is fairly low, with the vast majority of visitors travelling hundreds of miles to visit. Consider a resident of King county - the trip is at least 600 miles to the N. entrance via the I-90. Even with a car with good mileage (25 mpg), that's 24 gallons of gas each way, or 48 gallons round trip. At $3 / gallon, we are talking $144. A $20 entrance fee is around 15% of that cost. Now add in camping fees - at least $10 a night for a semi-developed site (I just paid $12 in the Olympics at one site, and $18 at another). Or does this poor family just poach - there are issues with that as well (damage to the undeveloped sites, garbage, etc, and extra cost commuting daily into and out of the park).

PETA will love that!

So, this is a good date movie?

My climbing partner left several quickdraws near Endless Bliss at Gun Show tonight (Wed) while we packed up gear in the dark.

"rad"?

I'll take that as a concession that YOUR argument is "crap".

It sure seems that visitor centers and lodges are revenue-generating machines created outside of the original purpose of the parks, as cited by you.

And what about all those visitor centers? and the gift shops? Seems like revenue-generation ploys to me. Not in the "spirit" of the parks. They should all be bulldozered over.

What about the lodges? Free to stay there?

It costs money to maintain each park and its facilities: 1) maintain and plow roads, 2) upkeep of buildings 3) pay staff 4) clean up garbage left by visitors 5) restore damage from visitors (e.g. meadow restoration) etc. etc. etc I doubt any fee goes to making a "profit" (earning revenue). It's just a question where the $ comes from to pay for the above expenses.

I think the comment is related to families willing to shell out more money on a night at the movies or, say, a take-out pizza but then complaining that it costs $25 to visit Yellowstone for a week. A comment to put things in perspective, and, probably bitch-slap the average American consumer. You could double or triple the budge to the NPS and hardly make a dent in the military budget with cuts.