MisterMo

This could get a little toasty in the old crotchatola could it not? Howzabout just taking the rope below your brake around you back & across hips/butt (just like people used to belay) to your braking hand. You can kind of vary the drag effect of that by whether you face straight in or sideways to the rock.

Yes and no. The bulk of the rock is in the undeveloped "Forks of the Sky" state park. The parking area is not state land nor are the frequently used camping areas immediately across the road.

Cool movie. Filmed by Lito Tejada-Flores. Try these folks: Here, in Banff They showed it a couple of years ago.

Low fifth class. 3 pitches if I remember right, plus the balanced rock if you did that.

Very cool photos. Make me wanna quit my job & just go do stuff the rest of my days. Taken this year?

With that nagging sensation that I'd maybe publicly been an idiot (again) looming over me I right clicked on the Jade Lake pic (again) and selected properties (again), just as I'd done when I'd posted originally It says Size: 23514 bytes. That's 23K more or less, right? 1024 bytes = 1KB? So then I look in the gallery. The info beneath the same pic there says 284.2K, right at your number. I can't account for the difference in numbers.

From today's pile:

Snort Betcher goin fishin' all of the time Baby goin fishin' too Betcher life your sweet wife Will catch more fish than you Many fish bites if you got good bait Here's a little tip that I would like to relate Many fish bites if you got good bait I'm a goin fishin Mama's goin fishin And my baby's goin fishin too Cook em in a pot baby cook em in a pan Honey cook em til they're nice and brown Make a batch of buttermilk ho cakes mama And chew them things baby chomp em on down Singin many fish bite if you got good bait Here's a little tip I would like to relate Many fish bites if you got good bait I'm a goin fishin Mama's goin fishin And my baby's goin fishin too

Howzat? Jade Lake pic for example is shows 800x600 at 23K file size. Hardly gigantic. Page loads fairly quick here on dial up not much better than a tin can and a string. Sometimes the whole site just crawls...text, pictures and all. I've never understood if that's my end or theirs. Nice photos by the way. The Jade/No Name area is very cool.

I do not wish to jinx matters by spraying about it but I am aware that negotiations are in progress between local parties and the landowner seeking alternatives to timber harvest acceptable to both parties. The proposed cut is at this point neither a foregone conclusion nor a dead issue. This could result in a win for everyone. to those who are working towards that end.

On the FP app the Marbled Murrelet question only seems to apply if the proposed unit is with in 50 miles of salt water AND the applicant owns over 500 acres of timberland. This was checked no by the applicant. I have no idea how much land they own. It is my understanding that Marbled Murrelet issues would not preclude logging but only modify the practice. This seems to be the essence of the issue; that comment can force closer scrutiny and compliance on environmental issues but not prevent logging.

If all else fails you can get a copy of the FPA App at Idex Town Hall. Open Mon and Tues

I'm in a huge rush this exact instant but I think the following deserve a quick mention: 1) The vast majority of trees in your photo are second growth. Rightfully or wrongfully the world of your photo survived a lot of previous logging. 2) This was, rightfully or wrongfully, very much a logging community and a logging economy until fairly recently when we instead became pretty much a bedroom community for commuters. There are some downsides to this, one of which is that the Sky Valley has become a traffic hell...maybe equally as damaging to the world, the environment and the eye as the logging that commuting replaced. 2) One of the reasons there's all those pretty green trees and no hideous subdivisions in your photo is that the land is zoned for forestry: minimum parcel size of 20 acres for land not previously subdivided. That doesn't appear to bother people at all...until harvest time. 3) The upper Sky valley is rife with recent clearcuts, on private land, many of which face the same environmental issues as the one proposed above. None of these seem to have generated much hullaballoo hereabouts, because, I submit, they cannot be seen from here. NIMBY, NIMBY, NIMBY. 4) Notwithstanding all else you are most correct that objections to issuance of a FP Permit must be based on environmental issues under the law. These do not include esthetics and any objection based on such will fail as there is no provision for such under the law. I'll stop now, at least for the moment.

That's a pretty intimidating looking forecast. I like how the little pictures remind us that it gets dark at night.

Shhhh.... I wuz feeling pretty burly there for a brief instant.

Chuck, where do you think the "Ramps to Nowhere" came from? There was once a plan to do just that. Wrong. The Ramps to Nowhere were supposed to connect to the ill-starred and ill fated RH Thompson Expressway...a freeway which would have paved over Montlake and what was then affectionately known as the "CD". The project was killed by citizen opposition. Mebbe so, but is the solution really another zillion dollars worth of car-clogged concrete? Interesting thought though, the Laurelhurst option...oughta bring forth an avalanche of wealthy NIMBY's

Can't roast without a bonfire. Do you still have wood to haul over (if I actually make it this year)?

I'm a bit further south than that but snow (or at least sleet) was falling this afternoon at 5,000'...it was raining like hell at 4000' as it got dark. Betcha Forbidden and Sharkfin are both getting a fair amount of snow.

Oh really now? That's a long-ass 15 feet.

Very cool photos!

Chingando comes to mind as a name, rating & description all wrapped into one word.

Tom Miller's B&W book has a good view of the N side of Triumph taken in 1956 from over on Challenger. I can't post it cuz I didn't take it.

Don't underestimate the silver-sprayer crowd. Cue the geriatric: Gary, your inquiry netted you some useful stuff like: and Other responses were less useful: or maybe just a teensy bit off topic: So what. Drive on. Real life is no different. If you hung out in, say, Red Square for an hour and blurted your question to passers-by at random would you have gotten better responses? I can never remember if it's Ben Franklin, Will Rogers, or whoever that it's attributed to but there's that great line about the best way to let the world know that so and so is a fool is to let them tell the world themselves. And while they're doing that just ignore them. What the hell; you're not perfect, and neither am I.

For some historical perspective and wonderful reading dig out the 1970 Ascent . It had a guide to Four Corners climbs, a history of desert climbing, and a piece on desert climbing by Chuck Pratt...perhaps the finest of the few things he wrote. Good stuff there, though long out of date as a guidebook. I drag it out at least once a year & read it again.

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