high_on_rock

It would have taken more than a free trip to have gotten me to travel with the inlaws

I had an uncle who was a "chubby lover." He had his fairly thin wife wear moo-moo dresses to make her look bigger. After their divorce, I watched him many a night leave the bar with the biggest girl there, and he was a stud with money and could have left with whatever he liked. I did not inherit that gene

If I could just learn to find the huge ones attractive enough, I could finally re-lose my virginity. Oh well. come on Arch, skip the donuts and get back on track. If you need someone to man-up and work off some of those pounds, schedule me up a weekend and I will honor the duty.

Is this what you were thinking? Edit: Photo deleted: If anyone was offended by my version of the above photo, you have my sincere appology. I have nothing but respect for Lord Beckey, a dirtbag hero in my life, the photo was ment with no disrespect. Eric

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That is way too perfect of a photo to hide down here in the dead pirate forum. Perhaps there should be a "national hero's" forum above; or even more fitting, the "what the hell is Fred up to now" forum so we can better follow his adventures.

Kev, what was your time car-to-car?

After you spend your energy making this decision, share the decision so that we don't have to apply energy ourselves. One thing to keep in mind is the recerts. It would be my belief that you will have to recert with whomever you take the original, as they don't recognize eachother. Would seem to be a great argument for WMI as they seem to offer more locations.

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Can you imagine the chaos that legalizing drugs would cause? We would overnight shut down “the war on drugs” and the huge structure that it has become. Courts would be laying off half their staff. Prosecutors, cops, jail guards: the unemployment would completely disrupt all governments from federal to city. I once sat in court and wondered how much disruption in the flow of the system would be caused if the cops just went on strike for a day and did not make any arrests? My god, we have a system in nearly every town that is set up to handle the flow of drug criminals on a daily basis, and the interruption would be like the commercial where someone wants to pay by check in a credit card world; total stall, total disruption, total chaos. You guys sound like you want “law and justice” rather then the “law and order” of our system.

All of the belay devices work for pretty much whatever you are doing, some are merely better for some situations. Knowing how to use whatever you have is typically enough to make it work in whatever situation you encounter. Climbing is situational, and applying the best possible skills to the situation at hand is the answer to all of these questions.

I would assert that ethics are a gray area that some view as black-or-white. To those who view ethics as gray, there really is no difference between altering the rock in cleaning, altering the rock in bolting, or altering the rock to make gravel, if the purpose (human safety or human convienience) is the determining factor. Some would argue the same thing, climb bold or don't climb; others would say that it is reasonable for climber safety (same arguments for bolts or trundling loose rocks.) What is the difference between putting on an aid bolt ladder on Monkey face, or bolting plastic handholds on a route to assist a climber to climb a face that they cannot otherwise climb: In reality no ethical difference. I once pulled off a loose rock, and had a person complain that it was an integral hold and they wanted to bolt the rock to the face to keep it there: ethical gray area everywhere on that one. If we could convince climbers, nations, armys that most issues are gray, we could prevent most of the wars. Typically when people argue black-and-white answers to ethical issues, you need only look a little harder to find where they violate their own interpretations of the rules. Peace, love, brotherhood, and respect are the answer.

I am going to go on the record in support of the Bush regime on this one issue. I believe that the current administration is noteworthy in it’s lack of honor and it’s arrogance in flouting the laws. But to allow one of his foot-solders to lay down on a sword for him would be even beyond the criminal Bush. Bush has nothing to lose by commuting the sentence (and will grant a pardon at the end of his term), and it is the only “honorable” thing to do when someone steps up and takes your bullet. Bush is disgraceful, unlawful, foolish, and ignorant; why add disloyal to the list of faults. Bush did the right thing.

The Osman footage was staged. He cut his draws about three quarters of the way so the draws "broke" not pieces pulling.

maybe we should all list all of the stuff our kids outgrew and see if we can trade up. Pick a month like October that is somewhat between seasons and have a trading fest. Didn't someone do a "kids day" of somesort at Lworth last year? Great time for a gear swap. Man, both of mine seem to always wear the same size at the same time, so I have to reoutfit both. Thoughts?

"If I'm not bruised and bloodied, you're not done." Arch I personally believe that it is attitude that makes up about 70% of sexy. I therefore nominate Arch for this week’s award! Eric

About 10 miles directly north of Frenchmans, are a handful of lakes. Fishing, driving distance to the columbia river, camping with the same permit needed for Frenchmans.

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That has to be the best TR I have read yet. Wow do I wish I were you! Eric

I would also suggest that landowners are protected from liability for bolts hung on their property, but may start to lose some of that protection if they play too much of a role in deciding where and how they are placed RCW 4.24.210(4) "Nothing in this section shall prevent the liability of a landowner or others in lawful possession and control for injuries sustained to users by reason of a known dangerous artificial latent condition for which warning signs have not been conspicuously posted. A fixed anchor used in rock climbing and put in place by someone other than a landowner is not a known dangerous artificial latent condition and a landowner under subsection (1) of this section shall not be liable for unintentional injuries resulting from the condition or use of such an anchor. Nothing in RCW 4.24.200 and this section limits or expands in any way the doctrine of attractive nuisance. Usage by members of the public, volunteer groups, or other users is permissive and does not support any claim of adverse possession."

Rawdong, are you still spouting? You are like the kid in the back of the class who keeps making noise for attention. Look at me! Look at me!

muffy, what did you do to our Sherri?

ah,Raindeer is merely feeling left out, everyone is treating Joseph like a rebel, and Raindeer wants to be the rebel. Let's all tell Raindeer that he is a rebel too so that he doesn't feel left out.

I find it helpful to watch someone far better than I am climb something that i am having trouble with. When I am in a fist-fight with a route, watching someone dance up gracefully gets me to quit fighting so hard and relax my way up a route. MHO

MattP seems to be merely asserting that the end justifies the means, where as Joseph’s pure ethic is that the means justify the end. Neither is right, neither is wrong. There are some interesting points being brought out. Who has the “experience” to make the call as to when a bolt goes in or not? Is it the bolt that matters, or the way the bolt was put in. When I climb a route and encounter a bolt, I really don’t care if it was hand drilled or power drilled, whether it was placed on first accent or later on, or whether it was on lead or on rap. I merely encounter a bolt and decide whether it was placed well, and whether I want to use it or skip it. If it is near a crack and I have my rack with me I may skip the bolt and place pro. Or I may put a quick draw in the bolt and pull on the draw to help me reach the next hold, or I may hangdog off of it and rest; at no time caring whether it was a powerdrill or not. I guess this makes me an “end justifies the means” type of guy. I climb for fun, for adventure, for exercise, and for camaraderie. Somedays I like to push my fear buttons, other days I want completely safe climbing. Somedays I want easy climbing, somedays I want hard climbing. The only thing I don’t want is some jerk imposing rules on me about how I must climb, which bolts I must clip or cannot clip, telling me their rules of life and expecting me to either care or live by them. How about Joseph climbs by his personal rules (which seem to flex for the moment); and I will climb by my personal rules (which often flex). Freedom and independence. Peace, respect, brotherhood.