ashw_justin

Ooo! Caption contest! "Are you looking for some hardware, ma'am?"

you're mean, dood Actually I was trying to get one of you fucksticks to mention a certain subversive terrorist author by name so that I would have a buddy in the next offshore detainment camp.

Yes but we can't allow the client state to take matters into its own hands. The United States of America must remain in firm control of The World.

ps. you forgot neoliberalism

At ease patriot. Agents Bin Laden and Hussein were planted in their respective theaters in order to provide The West with an excuse to deploy military forces on both sides of the only realistic threat to Israel.

Certainly the Access Fund's efforts are pro-climbing as opposed to anti-religious. I think their motivations were quite clear--get climbing back by whatever legal reasoning necessary. The Washoe beliefs probably shouldn't have been officially considered by anyone. But surely the FS could strip any mention of religion and re-ban. With the same ultimate effect that might be a waste of everyone's time.

I thought this was about Himalayan bigwall fixedlining. You need to add some snow and discarded ropes to the picture.

Ok fine, what if I correspond with a friend in a foreign country, and the government guesses that they are a terrorist. Shit would hit the fan and I would most likely be subject to all of the special treatment outlined in several new anti-terror laws, whether or not I was ultimately proven innocent. I also no longer have the freedom of privacy in that scenario; instead I must fear being the object of misplaced anti-anti-establishment zeal. I call that a loss of freedom. Hell, if this propaganda works like I think it will, crossing the U.S. border in possession of anything written by Chomsky is going to be grounds for detainment... Only because of oversight by 'paranoid liberals' have the anti-terror policies been so (apparently for now) limited in scope. If no critics are paying attention, those in power are guaranteed to walk over the rights and freedoms of the less powerful, even of their own people, either inadvertently or intentionally. That simply holds in general. But it must be nice for the flagwavers to go ahead saying that everything is alright, knowing full well that a mob of vigilant paranoid liberals are keeping watch against totalitarianism for them.

What have I lost? I don't know yet. Nor should I "need to know" as long as I am a Good Boy, or so would say the Big Boss (if you'll humor the name of my boogie man). I'm not sure the ramifications of what government agencies have been given the power to do in recent years are immediately tangible. Privacy has taken a big blow, national security can be used as an excuse to strip rights from people merely suspected of being enemies of the state, and executive secrecy is a steel curtain. We got to know who was sucking Clinton's dick, but we don't get to know how the executive branch handled its attourneys? Or how about the possibility of getting upgraded to the death penalty if Big Boss decides that a crime I committed was "terrorism?" (like this)

We may look through different lenses, but I've only seen freedoms taken away in the past 7.5 years. I find all of Bush's freedom talk to be incredibly two-faced, as he and his board of directors get to do whatever the hell they please at the expense and detriment of pretty much everyone else, supporters (and ex-supporters) included.

I am strongly against the policies and acts of the current government, and you call me whatever you want to for that. But I am a United States citizen and I feel it is my duty as such to legally oppose anything I feel is a threat to my country. And Bush Co. definitely qualifies. Much more so than bin "I'm a little bitch but they still can't get me, probably because they don't want to" Laden.

I can think of many cc.comers who would say the exact same things! Is al-Qaida taking over cc.com? Exactly. But I still fear the left-politics of many of the goof-balls here more than some old bearded turd who may or may not still be alive and who's fucked-up religion will never take root in anglo-western culture. Ah, how brazen and simple the propaganda machine has become. Terrorist hate Bush, liberal hate Bush. Duh, uh, means liberal = terrorist, yaaaaaay! If you didn't suspect that bin Laden and Bush Co. were in cahoots before now, here is further evidence that they are conspiring against us to quash, though fear and false ideological association, any remaining freedom and democracy left in this whipped, whored out, pitiful, and exploited husk of what used to be the greatest country in the world.

This accident that happened today on Eastlake probably needs no introduction. Just want to say to the fellow cyclists, don't get caught sleeping out there. Danger is guaranteed to come at you from all sides without warning. Peace to everyone involved.

All of those teeth are temporary.

SHOW 'EM HOW IT'S DONE, DANNY BOY! (cave scences are all Cave Rock?) viy9pWTGNys COMPARE TO: hKNQkphPkxc

The religious cast was definitely unnecessary, since limiting human impact on a piece of land is hardly something that needed to be justified by association to Native American spiritual beliefs. But who made religion the main issue--the Forest Service or the Access Fund? I guess one's opinion as to the legality of this closure still comes down to believing whether the FEIS conclusion was motivated by natural preservation or by religion. The outward difference was negligible in this case, but the Establishment Clause is still very much worth protecting.

No, it's not. It's a manufacturing and consumptive consumer activity incompatible with many public resources. What I meant was that many other outdoor activities are considered legitimate that create an equal or greater impact to developed crag climbing (mountain biking, offroad moto, snomo, hunting, etc). However, these too are generally subject to governmental control in sensitive areas.

Did you guys know that they even have some kind of ranger station in there? They're really only a clutch of snaffles and a pit toilet away from the Complete Outdoor Adventure Experience! Soon the REItes will feel no need to visit the highly inferior, crackaddict robber-infested backwoods, and return it to you depraved forest-raping primitives for the gratification of whatever sick pleasures you are addicted to.

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Sport climbing is an outdoor activity that is as legitimate as many others. It just requires oversight and regulation to control its growth and impact. Bolts are not very noticeable--it's what hangs on the bolts, be it permenant draws or people, that ruins the experience for non-climbers. The condition of many areas would improve with stricter management, such as no fixed draws and a permit/quota system to keep the numbers down. Something along these lines may have even been pleaded by Cave Rock climbers and the Access Fund... but it's too bad this self-consciousness didn't manifest until long after it was too late.

Take it back to the gym jefe. You can come say "I told you so" on cc.com, when they shut down alpine climbing in the Stuart Range/Enchantments, North Cascades, or Washington Pass... that is, if any of us are still alive by the time that happens. Did you expect the entire climbing community to blindly put its credibility on the line for a piece-of-shit roadside outdoor sport climbing gym with a right to exist that was questionable at best? I personally won't bat an eye until a) they start systematically closing climbing areas in an obvious attempt to kill rock climbing as a recreational activity in general, or b) they start closing classic climbing areas not established by the use of a power drill sometime in the last 15 years.

"The FEIS articulated a new preferred proposal intended “to protect Cave Rock’s heritage resources”: banning all climbing immediately; removing all climbing bolts as soon as techni- cally feasible and legally authorized; and removing the masonry flooring inside the rock. This option would permit non-invasive recreation consistent with the historic period, such as hiking, picnicking, stargazing, boating, and fishing." The writing is on the wall, so to speak. Time to own up on the leave no trace ethic (or at least the out of sight, out of mind ethic). Sport climbers do not have the right to install outdoor climbing gyms wherever they please.

Yet not completely accidental nor unpreventable. Surely there is some constructive burden that the thrower could take on, such as trailwork, speaking to kids about his mistake, interviewing or writing an article to increase awareness, etc. What he knows now should be shared, not forgotten or locked away. Might even help him come to terms. (Although I wonder if our justice system will ever be that humane, or sensitive enough to distinguish the forgivable mistakes from the unforgivable.)

So I'm climbing Forbidden yesterday, and my boss is all like "sorry, I couldn't get that nut out." OMG WTF?!

And yet most loudpipers insist on wearing black, when neon would be far safer.