John Frieh

Someone is questioning the rating of my uber ultra sickness climb!!! I'll just ignore them!

Kinda like everyone knows exactly what it takes and how it feels to climb 5.14?

Just curious... which classic 5.9/A2 routes have you or Layton done? The strain? East Face on Assiniboine (Cheesmond/Dick)? Sphinx Face on Temple? NW Ridge of Alberta? Wild Thing on Chephren? etc etc? My impression was most of these were either unrepeated or had seen only a handful of repeats so the list of people who could make legitimate comparisons was short...

6.0 MP 5.0 MP

Pentax offers 2 digital cameras that are waterproof! One 5.0 MP and one 6.3 MP... I used the 5.0MP for 6 months before it took the ride good pics but still not as good as slide IMO. Close... but not slide. I heard one other company is making a WP one also.

Straight forward. Snow will only cause navagation issues at best (more on the approach than on the route as both standard routes are ridges). If you want photocopies of the guidebook or need a partner give me a shout

The later in Dec (if not in 2006) the better especially if you want a bunch of people from the site who are students... early Dec = finals.

this is a problem all over the place. not just in PDX. and from this side it doesn't look any better Sorry I'm not buying it ML and Muffy. If anything as a demographic climber chicks might have 1 (more likely none) off your list. I want to know how many of those chicks you dated in PDX that led you to this list were actually climbers... I could have swore you said last year none of them climbed.

It doesn't have to be fun to be fun.

I would say to each their own. I would guess you look at Steins and say "why?" and the sport climber stoked about a new 5.11 route would look at 2 days of devil's club and say "why?". As long as people are getting out, having a good time, and not negatively impacting others more power to them!

Perhaps you (or someone) could camo the hangers? That's too bad but didn't you put ropes on Turkey Monster all summer (I could be wrong here)? How is that different? I would agree I don't like seeing ropes hanging there over time. You (and everyone else on this site) is entitled to their opinion regarding what is the best style. It is my opinion that if this person wanted to create a sport route for all to enjoy he should put in the best bolts he/she can and in a place that makes the route safe and enjoyable... i.e. good route engineering. You and I both know that rap bolting allows for better route engineering than on lead. Yes bolting on lead is "bolder"... but is it a smarter and safer way to create sport routes? I would say no.

Are the bolts on lines that could be protected w/ trad gear? Can you climb 5.11?

Finally! Someone to share the abuse with

I swear at least once a day every day or so you see this: I wonder who it could be?

Sounds like a good enough reason to return them

Right here

ABSOLUTELY NOT! WE WANT NEW PEOPLE TO COME TRY IT! Yes we all come out to get some practice and stay strong for next spring but the real motivation behind starting drytool night last year (at least for me) was to create a venue for local climbers to get together and meet/check out new potential new climbing partners. This is your chance to meet some fellow idiots who think scratching metal against rock in the dark forest of NE PDX is a good time. Who knows what else you might have in common! We will start at 4 pm tonight... it might vary week to week so keep an eye on this thread for updates on when/where we will be. Also feel free (anyone) to use this thread for PDX partner requests

Hood lap? Cool... I'll call you Avie.

Maybe you can get that d00d with the ergos for sale to trade

Yes. More smith: Anybody else with some smith stoke (the rest of mine is at home )?

Yes. Who said you would ruin it? Yes. Tuff is dried mud (ash). Because heavy handed cleaning tactics including crow bars, hammers, etc etc has cleaned off the crap (and there is a lot of it) and actually produced what many consider a world wide sport climbing destination. If trad is your game and you have never been here before you will find enought to do to make the drive worth it... you just won't run into anyone from France, Germany, etc etc (and you will... I bumped into some swiss this past weekend) that flew here for the trad climbing... they do fly here for the sport. But why popular? Thousands of sport routes packed in so approach distance is minimized. Everyone should visit smith at least once.

Beard plus double bonus for it being a local climber sporting shorts over poly pro at smith