olyclimber

So for all your 50-degree calm and clear summer alpine nights in Cascades, go buy a $500 "ultralight" custom-made mini dipsh*t tent with bug-net, made by poorly paid employees of some wannabee yuppie, or Chinese peasant corporate slaves. Whadueyecare? The Wall Street boys finance and profit from the manufacturing gear, whether in Shang Dong or Tacoma. MIT boys (mostly Asian) designed it. You can get your hard-on with your equipment based on price you paid given your own, possibly overpaid, "professional" work. Sellers won't care how or where you got the cash. In most cases, the thing is, how it affects your own self esteem. In this regard, shopping at Wal-Mart will make you believe you are inferior-- a "poor person," or something even worse.

I assume climbers doing exclusively or even mostly high-altitude routes in arctic or sub-arctic conditions are tiny minority on this board. Maybe this is wrong. Typical summer Cascades/Sierra alpine camp is in benign weather at moderate altitude, with only real menance being mosquitos. Rock climbers have somewhat healthy tendency to shop for equipment by brand. I have moderate experience and tend to favor Black Diamond. Many climbers I meet have essentially unlimited funds and are mid-career doctors. engineers, and lawyers, and transfer this tendency to other areas: Clothing, cars, booze, restaurants........ Many non-climbers I meet have similar tendencies........ "Backpackers" per se, are idiots, pure and simple. There is absolutely nothing I can think of worse, more lame, than an "expert" backpacker giving advise to a "novice." Typically, they emphasize supposed complexity and dangers of sleeping, and the need for vast experience and expensive equipment to accomplish this. Gets creepy.

It's absolutely true that many climbers, at all levels, in Gunks are economically, and/or often intellectually elite. Especially those like myself (modest and poor climber) in middle age and older. Some of the very best climbers I've encountered in Washington State have been relatively poor, and weirdly humble, backwoodsmen. "Best climbers" aren't my subject. Creepy sleeping and hiking advise for boy scout-types in mild conditions is my concern. Saying that a $20 tent (basically for one person) that can be modified to weigh 2-3 pounds is laughable gives me the creeps. I've heard lots of this kind of response from "backpackers" that are highly impressed with their ability to walk and sleep, and hyper-BS concerned about "warning" people against taking a hike without "survival training" and God-knows what nonesense. The other issue is self-identification with high-price brands and consumer goods. Like, I'd NEVER buy a $4.00 bottle of wine and Budweiser is bad for morality and your resume...

oh i can join in too. make it 4.

ha that was awesome. I liked the vid as well! You survived!

OxygenUptake...if you're going to post in a community website (no matter how tired and out of date the forum software is), take the time to get to know the community. For example...there is a Classified section. Use that next time. Otherwise face the ire of the natives.

Wait a minute...now you're met 3 of them!

You're still here? Hahahahahhahahahaahaa. Who is the fool again? You said you were leaving a long time ago. Don't let the door hit you in the ass a second time. Oh thats right, the third or fourth time. For the record, I don't give a shit about what you think. At one time I tried to listen, but you're such an asshole it became quickly apparent you're not worth a turd worth polishing. Anyway, we're making Geocities hot again. That shit is coming back into style.

Smoot's Rock Climbing Washington has a Tieton section in it, and is readily available. https://www.amazon.com/Rock-Climbing-Washington-Regional/dp/0762736615 Maybe I should sell my copy of Tieton Rocks and retire with the proceeds!

I was going to recommend Ford & Yoder's Tieton Rocks guidebook, but I see it is out of print and people are asking idiotic prices for it on the Internet....

https://www.backcountry.com/mountain-hardwear-space-station-tent-15-person-4-season

And when are you finally going to say something interesting? Boring people like you helped this website fade into oblivion. Sport climbers like you helped me decide climbing has evolved into something equivalent to table tennis. Go ahead, bolt the shite out of Castle Rock and have a blast wrecking it some more. Don't forget to vote green. Fade into oblivion??? We are still here you whiney git. And we are still waiting for you to say something interesting, I'm pretty sure you once did, but now you're just a one trick pony. FYI table tennis is pretty damn fun.

Looks like a fun trip in splitter weather. Congrats!

Well, that isn't what stopped them (the tent). I'm not sure, but I think that this guy used to post here. Name seems pretty familiar.

life is pretty good except for the bits that are terrible

Bob has moved on to greener pastures where the sheep are more plentiful (Facebook). He couldn't stand the heat so he had to get out of the kitchen.

http://komonews.com/news/local/man-skies-into-crevasse-dies-on-mount-rainier

great pics

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this has to be one the most documented plane crashes in the Olympics http://www.c141heaven.info/dotcom/64/pic_64_0641.php

hmmm...well maybe my mind isn't serving me well here. says here Warrior peak was where the crash was...maybe that guy was just going for Peak C-141, which is not near the actual wreck. anyway they flew the wreckage out so i'm definitely wrong about that. http://www.historylink.org/File/8562

yeah that one. there was a post a while back about it, i think someone related to a crew member who died in the plane wreck posted on a thread about the area a while back, wanting to go up there. I know you can get to it by going up to the left, the wreck is up there somewhere. when i did this finger traverse we talked with a guy who was headed up there and watching him make his way up from the opposite side of the valley. Up to Peak C-141

such a cool place on the planet, that whole area. entrance fee of a little goat hike up. i want to go up and look for the plane wreck on the left side of the valley.

this is way more metal

+1 on rapping being the scariest part of climbing Jason. for me the scariest is a multi-pitch rap, where you're hanging at a rap station.